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Old 11-06-2008, 05:04 PM
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wow. lotsa +1's here. Obama is a socialist. I believe in small govt and loathe socialism. There is nothing obama stands for that I am in agreeance with, and I guess with the redistribution of wealth, I can kiss my paycheck goodbye. LOL

Ok, lemme ask you something. Do you make $250k+ a year? Do you make less then $100k a year with hard work? If you make $250k+ then yes you will have higher taxes, if you make less then $100k you'll have lower taxes. In case you didn't know, those making $250k+/yr make up only about 5% of the population in the US.

Now, do you remember a few years ago when Bush gave HUGE tax breaks to the wealthy? I'm guessing not. Well Obama's plan is not to take middle class family's money and give it to the lazy like so many idiots keep trying to say because they simply fell for the lies of McCain's campaign. Instead his plan will rebalance the scales that Bush messed up by giving huge tax breaks to the rich and putting the squeeze on the middle class. Now he'll be making them pay what they should have been paying all along and giving us middle class (hard working Americans making less then $250k/yr) a chance to keep our heads above water.

Oh yes and about his 'socialist' views of more government control on things like the financial district. Well let's look at what happened when they were 100% unregulated and allowed to make their own rules. Let's see, they made bad decisions and worse deals taking advantage of middle class families only to have one of the largest financial collapses in history requiring the government to give them a $700 billion bailout that's going to come out OUR pockets from taxes. I'm sorry, but imho they've lost the right to govern themselves and the US gov has every right and SHOULD regulate them so they don't screw us over again cause if it were to happen again there might not be anyone to bail them out.
 
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Originally Posted by sombo
Ok, lemme ask you something. Do you make $250k+ a year? Do you make less then $100k a year with hard work? If you make $250k+ then yes you will have higher taxes, if you make less then $100k you'll have lower taxes. In case you didn't know, those making $250k+/yr make up only about 5% of the population in the US.

Now, do you remember a few years ago when Bush gave HUGE tax breaks to the wealthy? I'm guessing not. Well Obama's plan is not to take middle class family's money and give it to the lazy like so many idiots keep trying to say because they simply fell for the lies of McCain's campaign. Instead his plan will rebalance the scales that Bush messed up by giving huge tax breaks to the rich and putting the squeeze on the middle class. Now he'll be making them pay what they should have been paying all along and giving us middle class (hard working Americans making less then $250k/yr) a chance to keep our heads above water.

Oh yes and about his 'socialist' views of more government control on things like the financial district. Well let's look at what happened when they were 100% unregulated and allowed to make their own rules. Let's see, they made bad decisions and worse deals taking advantage of middle class families only to have one of the largest financial collapses in history requiring the government to give them a $700 billion bailout that's going to come out OUR pockets from taxes. I'm sorry, but imho they've lost the right to govern themselves and the US gov has every right and SHOULD regulate them so they don't screw us over again cause if it were to happen again there might not be anyone to bail them out.
Sombo, time for a school lesson in how economics work for ya!

First, the tax breaks to major corporations were enacted to put more money in YOUR pocket. If the major corporations are paying more money out of their pockets, the cost of the goods go up and you end up spending more. The individuals earning 100+ a year have a bout 35% of their check taxed - the same as a single unmarried individual earning between 30-50k a year. Its called the pyramid effect!

The government would have never had to bail the irresponsible people out if they were not trying to live outside of their means. By saying this I mean that if you apply for a credit card you should be able to pay it off. If you obtain a mortgage, you should base it off your income and not income derived from a 2nd supplimentary income or lots of overtime at work. People in this country are "house poor" meaning that they are trying to keep up with people who are evidently out classed by them. The government should only have intervention to establish limits on what should be allowed as far as APR's and mortage allowance scales. These credit card companies are loan sharks. Someone paying off a credit card balance on a fixed income with an APR of 28% will never pay that card off. There should be regulation to ensure the APR will never get that high.

Everyone that pays taxes in this country money goes to the lazy ****'s who wont get off their asses and get jobs. Everyone who has ever received federal, state, or local assistance through grants or checks on a regular basis is spending MY (and our) hard earned money. Blame the people living in the ghetto receiving their welfare checks driving around brand new escalades with 10k worth of rims on it, blame it in the mother who continues to have bastard children just to receive WIC and Food Stamps. What is this bs about having food stamps on debit cards to make it less embarassing and demeaning for them? They need to be embarassed for having to use that! If there were shame about getting the food stamps people would be more inclined to get off their *** and get a job.

I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for anyone receiving assistance from the government with my money because I work so hard - working 40+ hours a week with side work to make a good living and to have a upper-middle class lifestyle. People need to get off their asses and quit having that victim mentality. There is plenty of work out there, it's just whether or not they want to get out there and find it.

The government needs to strip every **** receiving federal assistance and say "its natural selection time bitches ...... fight to live or die." Sounds harsh but it would weed out the idiocricy we currently have now.

These hippie *** liberals need to have camps out in the woods or something so we won't have to hear them **** and moan about how we are killing the caribu for running pipeline. Its called adaptation bitches! Either stop driving, using tires, using plastic, or anything derived from oil ----- even your computer YES! During the refining process the oil drilled from the ground is seperated and only a small fraction of what comes from teh groud is actually used for what is in our cars! If they would quit being a ****in moron for a minute and take time to do some research they would know this and stop getting on tv making asses of themselves.


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Old 11-06-2008, 08:26 PM
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I'm totally in agreeance with Chick above me.

Obama scares the living **** out of me. He's insincere, and something's just off. Not to mention he has YET to put forth a CONCRETE PLAN for change. He's a bag of naivete, idealism, and hot air. He's the typical straight from college kid- they have stars in their eyes, and hope- and that's great, but they often get knocked down when they realize that the world sucks, and is mean, and doesn't care about you and how great things can be "if only." He obviously doesn't understand this war- I'm not even gonna go there in here. So, along with our new socialist government we can expect more attacks headed our way. Yes, this war is long and hard, if politics would stay out of it and let the military do what they do, it wouldn't be. War is never QUICK, people need to f-ing get that. Look long and hard at the politics of Vietnam, and then, expect that to happen soon, as it has been.

He's going to redistribute wealth, cut military spending, and do MUCH MUCH more damage than that... he obviously doesn't understand baseline economic knowledge, and as someone said earliear ONE party being in control is NOT GOOD.
A Democratic senator recently said that "republicans have this simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it." I'm an independent personally, but you're damn right I feel that if I earn my wealth I get to keep it! BTW, who donates to charities, hospitals and campaigns? The "wealthy!" If you tax us into oblivion that's gonna help a lot because we'll just keep spending right? WRONG. At least I won't. And if you overlive your means, you deserve to go under, not be bailed out. The stock exchange is a different story because it's a fundamental part of our, and the global, economy, but in general- you reap what you sew.

At least McCain makes it a point to have friends and colleagues of differing viewpoints around him. So far Obama's surrouiding himself with "yes men." Good plan. Obama's ALREADY backsliding on some of his "promises." The only change he's capable of making is change for a dollar.

As for McCain, obviously, I'm for him. I'm not sure in an ideal world he'd be my write in, but he's certainly better than Obama. I have more life experience than him! I think he certainly understands war, and what our service members are going through, AND how to get this done. Talking with terrorists isn't going to help. Negotiating with them only teaches them that their tactics work- it's like children and tantrums people. If we could have "talked" this out, it would have been over a while ago. HATRED, and these people hate us, enough to decimate servicemen's and contractors bodies and physically rip the flesh from the bone- that is true hatred. True hatred will not go for "peace talks." It is by nature, heated and irrational, two characteristics contrary to the spirit of peace talks. These people have been fighting for HUNDREDS of years... yeah, peace talks will work.

I think McCain's concession speech was more than gracious and spoken from the heart.
As for those of you talking about the look in his eyes, the fidgeting, etc. Having been a prisoner of war or even just a servicemember, you're going to develop some problems. Many of these include: emotional blunting, anxiety, the thousand yard stare, not liking crowds as you feel vulnerable, and several other symptoms I don't need to list.

Obama, regardless of what anyone says, DID have race in his favor. McCain had ageism to overcome, which obviously he couldn't. It's ridiculous to think that people think just because he's "old" he can't run the country. He has the experience, and at least when he voted in the Senate he voted more than "present" and took a stand for something, even if he regretted it later. Also, he's in major shape. I bet he could outrun half of the thirty year olds I know.

This whole thing is ridiculous. We're a nation of ungrateful brats. We've forgotten what we fought for in the first place, and so, we're gonna put ourselves in a position where we're going to be reminded just how valuable freedom is by having to earn it. We're about to lose it, and, as a whole, whe friggin deserve it.
 

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has anyone brought up he wont say the pledge of allegiance? haha..... M F'er......
 
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by EMS_0525
has anyone brought up he wont say the pledge of allegiance? haha..... M F'er......
or that he won't salute the flag, or wear it on his lapel like a senator should, or that when he went to Iraq he walked right past the enlisted, shot hoops with the brass and went home, or that he has questionable associations, or that his college and birth records are sealed.....
 
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Wow, some of you folks are kind of crazy.

I don't agree with Obama's policies but he not Muslim, nor is he the anti-Christ. I remember when I was in high school and Reagan was president, he was supposed to be the anti-Christ and purported to have a "666" birthmark behind is left ear. Pretty stupid, huh?

If you want to be scared of something, be afraid of his policies and full single-party control of the House, Senate, and Executive branches. It has already begun. The socialists are lining up like kids to sit on Santa's lap. It's going to be Christmas for them. If this doesn't send chills up your spin, I don't know what will.

"Dems Target Private Retirement Accounts
Democratic leaders in the U.S. House discuss confiscating 401(k)s, IRAs"
http://www.carolinajournal.com/artic...y.html?id=5081

I guess that's what he meant by "Change we need".
 

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Old 11-06-2008, 09:41 PM
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And just to be a dick, even if he was Muslim, why is that problem? Are Muslims terrified there is a Christian in the White House? How about Jews? Buddhists? If it's fair game to have a Christian in the WH, then it should be OK to have any of the other religions there, too. I know that view probably won't be popular here, but Muslim does not equate to terrorist. They are people just like you and I, and desire the same things we do.
 
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All I know, is if Mc Cain was elected then died for any reason, we would have had that dum bitch Palin for president. Now that's scary. But I will still always wonder if she's trimmed, shaved, or natural?
 


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