Why is my KLX250s hard to start after it sits for more than a few days?

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Old Nov 4, 2016 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lj-rubi
Just reread the decade old Deej string about shutting the fuel off and running the bowl dry. I usually do that when I won't be on the bike for a few days, but like everyone else I occasionally have good intentions of riding again soon and I don't shut the fuel off. As you all know, the drain on the bowl can be hard to reach and mine doesn't seat well, so I plugged the short piece of drain hose. This got me thinking: why not install an in-line fuel shut-off valve in the drain line a little below the bowl (and leave the drain screw open)? This would be much easier to reach and would allow the bowl to drain with no tools. Any downside to this approach?
I had same thoughts since I use a Dial-A-Jet which takes out the drain screw. I'd like to put in a T with an accessible drain petcock back by the swing arm. Problem may be getting a petcock for that small ID tubing. But I haven't really looked yet.
 
Old Nov 4, 2016 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TNC
Remember when I used to tease about KLX owners doing the "Hokey-Pokey" for a cold start?

As you know IDRIDR, water in the gas and such is not the problem with the KLX cold start...at least not generally. If it were so, you would have seen most all carbed bikes consistently having this issue of hard cold starts after sitting for just a short period. The small starter jet is the issue, and enlarging it permanently solves the problem.
You do have that issue in states like Ohio where the temperatures get much colder. Texas has a more uniform general average temperature range compared to the states up here. We had the hard starting problems as long as I was in sales, starting in 1983. If any bike sat for more than a month we would drain them rather than take the chance on gas fouled plugs, mechanic time to swap out four plugs ain't cheap... and they get pissed, because the department gets screwed on the deal. We drained singles if they were over a week.

So be happy to be in a state where the average temperature allows a better more stable blend of fuel.
 
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 12:17 AM
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You know, for me, a dual sport creates an interesting problem for "stale" fuel.. As with all cro-mags, I "automatically" drain the bowl on my dirtbikes.. All my street bikes are EFI.. My playbikes (ridden once a month) get 100LL instead of constant bowl draining.. My 4 wheeler gets drained.. But the KLX has no known "riding schedule".. Sometimes it's every day, sometimes once a month.. I've easily "beaten" stale fuel issues with everything for many years - only to see it again with the KLX.. It is still surprising that that modern gasoline looses "potency" after only a few days in a carb bowl..
 
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 02:58 AM
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Month old gas from the carb may not light with a match. If it does it may not keep burning if the match is taken away. Last time I drained 3 week old gas that was the case with it. Stuff is really junk.
 
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by klx678
You do have that issue in states like Ohio where the temperatures get much colder. Texas has a more uniform general average temperature range compared to the states up here. We had the hard starting problems as long as I was in sales, starting in 1983. If any bike sat for more than a month we would drain them rather than take the chance on gas fouled plugs, mechanic time to swap out four plugs ain't cheap... and they get pissed, because the department gets screwed on the deal. We drained singles if they were over a week.

So be happy to be in a state where the average temperature allows a better more stable blend of fuel.
Yeah, but Mark my KLX had the same cold start issues as many other owners regardless of the quality fuel I used. I got that starter jet fix from an unofficial "message" from Kawasaki when I worked part time at a shop here, and two inline four models in the same year had a horrible cold start complaint. I guess it couldn't be official because of emissions, recall, or some other PITA regulation. Every one of those bikes that had the issue was fixed permanently with a starter jet drill out. This was in Texas with our decently stable fuel.

While I would agree with you that our climate helps, the problem is at least nation wide in the U.S. with many KLX's regardless of fuel.
 
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 12:18 PM
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Again, Ohio. That and my KLX has the starter jet drilled. Starts great with fresh fuel or after a few days. Harder starting after a week, near impossible after two, which is magically resolved by getting fresh gas into the carb. That is the question in the original post - why is it hard to start after several days of sitting. In Ohio it is the gas going stale in a span of around 10 days.

I'm not saying the jetting issues won't make starting easier/quicker, it did with mine on a daily or semi-daily basis, but two weeks and it will not start, period. I am saying in some areas the gas blends can go stale in a short time. This is readily apparent and can be proven. If the bike doesn't start after 10 seconds, drain the carb, let the float bowl refill and the engine will fire as if it only sat overnight.

I will say the stock KLX250 had to be cranked over for like 10-15 seconds before I did all the jetting modifications and disabled the compression release. Now it fires almost instantly and is off choke in seconds... unless it has been sitting for 10 days or more. Then drain gas and it fires near instantly. It has to be the gas we get in Ohio. Be happy if you don't get that kind of stuff.

It isn't one random box stock bike in my case. I've seen it here in Ohio over decades with new and used bikes of all sorts. Every bike I've owned, bikes my friends own and
 
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 04:07 PM
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Hey, if you read "drill it" on the internet, you gotta drill it.. Right?

Me, I just add it to the "Needs Drillin" list. That way, at some point, I can set aside a whole day - "Drill baby Drill" day..

Seriously, the accounts I'm reading from "members with drills", the amount of brass removed with this "starter jet thing" is minimal. So probably just a little extra stale bowl fuel passes into the engine when the choke is pulled..
 

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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 04:24 PM
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Yep... Won't light with a match even if there's more of it...

But the drilling definitely helps when the stuff actually will fire.
 
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Klxster
Hey, if you read "drill it" on the internet, you gotta drill it.. Right?

Me, I just add it to the "Needs Drillin" list. That way, at some point, I can set aside a whole day - "Drill baby Drill" day..

Seriously, the accounts I'm reading from "members with drills", the amount of brass removed with this "starter jet thing" is minimal. So probably just a little extra stale bowl fuel passes into the engine when the choke is pulled..
This is true...even low volatility fuel will ignite when enough gets pulled through the choke circuit...OK...maybe not diesel in a KLX.

The KACR doesn't help either. The design of the KACR is actually pretty good...had it on several other bikes with no issue. It seems like the KLX unit is off or too aggressive just a bit and bleeds off too much compression.
 
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 04:31 PM
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Agreed,,, There is a "method to this madness"... Drilling the starter jet it is actually an alternative to draining the bowl or doing the "Hoe'ky Poe'ky" startup dance.. Sooo - "Thats what it's all about" !
 

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