Kato Report
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This post in inline with rcv2.o’s post, �yep, I broke it.� Some have read the Reiter report and this is the Kato report.
As reported earlier, I was ‘testing the waters’ as it were. I really wanted to see how deep I could go. To the bottom of the seat…when moving briskly. That is my answer.
When Deej and I loaded the bikes, I noticed the caramel milkshake in the motor. That explains the three bursts of smoke out of the tail pipe. Moreover, they were huge clouds, like a ’69 beetle with the original motor. When we arrived at my house, there was a large spooge of goo under my bike. I looked toward Deej to see if he was going to puke. He held it together until I cleaned the mess.
Now in the garage, I pulled the drain plug and watch the iced mocha latte slowly ooze from the heart of my beast. Get it? Latte =Starbucks=Seattle Ha ha ha ha. Pulled the seat, box lid, and the filter. ooooooo. As the pic shows, the motor pumped a lot of goo all over the backfire screen, which seeped through the air filter and drained on Deej’s Dodge.
Another issue is the drain hole, 1/8” diameter piece of crap. Because with the 3/8” air box mod, there becomes a flow issue. Water flows to the path of least resistance. AKA, crankcase. When I opened the air box on the trail it was ½ full, or ½ empty, you decide. It had been that way for at least 20 minutes before I cleared the drain(which was clean when I left the house). I knew this would be a problem someday, but I didn’t cross my mind that day. So essentially, I pump out a lot of water when we were dragging Kato.
Changed the oil five times and ran out of the various m/c lubricants. Had extra oil filters, so I needed to pop down to the bike shop and get more oil. What? Closed? Hmmm. Shot down town to the Kawi shop, closed…. Bless all the Veterans. Shucks’ have Valvoline m/c, which will do. Changed it for the last time and put Seafoam in both ends. Ran fine.
Tuesday, I had to go to Seattle, so I was going to take Kato and burn off any moisture in the crankcase. Geared up and ready to go, I pulled out the choke, engaged the started and the beast roared. For a whole, ten seconds. Now I am a bit frustrated. Drained the carb, no water, hmm. RRR rrr rrr rrr rrr, no fire. Pulled the fuel line and no fuel. Dumb ***. Flipped it to reserve, and the fuel flowed nicely. All is well.
Back to the box. I‘ve got two good options for you. #1, from the case route a hose to the top air box port. The one abandoned with smog gear removal. Or what I will do, is to ‘tee’ into the main smog tubing. This way I can keep the appearance of a functional smog system, and have the crankcase vent at a much higher point. Also, as Marty has done, now is a good time to install a PCV valve. This would slow the water intake to a minimum if the box drain were plugged again.
As reported earlier, I was ‘testing the waters’ as it were. I really wanted to see how deep I could go. To the bottom of the seat…when moving briskly. That is my answer.
When Deej and I loaded the bikes, I noticed the caramel milkshake in the motor. That explains the three bursts of smoke out of the tail pipe. Moreover, they were huge clouds, like a ’69 beetle with the original motor. When we arrived at my house, there was a large spooge of goo under my bike. I looked toward Deej to see if he was going to puke. He held it together until I cleaned the mess.
Now in the garage, I pulled the drain plug and watch the iced mocha latte slowly ooze from the heart of my beast. Get it? Latte =Starbucks=Seattle Ha ha ha ha. Pulled the seat, box lid, and the filter. ooooooo. As the pic shows, the motor pumped a lot of goo all over the backfire screen, which seeped through the air filter and drained on Deej’s Dodge.
Another issue is the drain hole, 1/8” diameter piece of crap. Because with the 3/8” air box mod, there becomes a flow issue. Water flows to the path of least resistance. AKA, crankcase. When I opened the air box on the trail it was ½ full, or ½ empty, you decide. It had been that way for at least 20 minutes before I cleared the drain(which was clean when I left the house). I knew this would be a problem someday, but I didn’t cross my mind that day. So essentially, I pump out a lot of water when we were dragging Kato.
Changed the oil five times and ran out of the various m/c lubricants. Had extra oil filters, so I needed to pop down to the bike shop and get more oil. What? Closed? Hmmm. Shot down town to the Kawi shop, closed…. Bless all the Veterans. Shucks’ have Valvoline m/c, which will do. Changed it for the last time and put Seafoam in both ends. Ran fine.
Tuesday, I had to go to Seattle, so I was going to take Kato and burn off any moisture in the crankcase. Geared up and ready to go, I pulled out the choke, engaged the started and the beast roared. For a whole, ten seconds. Now I am a bit frustrated. Drained the carb, no water, hmm. RRR rrr rrr rrr rrr, no fire. Pulled the fuel line and no fuel. Dumb ***. Flipped it to reserve, and the fuel flowed nicely. All is well.
Back to the box. I‘ve got two good options for you. #1, from the case route a hose to the top air box port. The one abandoned with smog gear removal. Or what I will do, is to ‘tee’ into the main smog tubing. This way I can keep the appearance of a functional smog system, and have the crankcase vent at a much higher point. Also, as Marty has done, now is a good time to install a PCV valve. This would slow the water intake to a minimum if the box drain were plugged again.
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RE: Kato Report
Tony,
Glad to hear that you are back in business. I am sure you were sweating there for a while.
A couple of questions:
1. What kind of filter is that you have. I just installed a new Uni, which looks a lot like the stock filter, but yours appears to be of a completely different design. Is that a K&N?
2. Have you considered Brian's setup for the CC breather where he routes a line all the way up to just under the seat. I think he put a small canister filter on it so it is pretty well protected and goes to the absolute highest possible point. I have not done this myself yet, but I am considering it, especially after the recent spell of submarine expeditions.
3. How clean did the oil run on your last flush? I seem to recall from rcv2.o's thread that it never did come out completely pure. That would really worry me.
Again, glad to see that the end is near for this little adventure. Good luck with it.
Chris
Glad to hear that you are back in business. I am sure you were sweating there for a while.
A couple of questions:
1. What kind of filter is that you have. I just installed a new Uni, which looks a lot like the stock filter, but yours appears to be of a completely different design. Is that a K&N?
2. Have you considered Brian's setup for the CC breather where he routes a line all the way up to just under the seat. I think he put a small canister filter on it so it is pretty well protected and goes to the absolute highest possible point. I have not done this myself yet, but I am considering it, especially after the recent spell of submarine expeditions.
3. How clean did the oil run on your last flush? I seem to recall from rcv2.o's thread that it never did come out completely pure. That would really worry me.
Again, glad to see that the end is near for this little adventure. Good luck with it.
Chris
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Tony,
Glad to hear that you are back in business. I am sure you were sweating there for a while.
A couple of questions:
1. What kind of filter is that you have. I just installed a new Uni, which looks a lot like the stock filter, but yours appears to be of a completely different design. Is that a K&N?
2. Have you considered Brian's setup for the CC breather where he routes a line all the way up to just under the seat. I think he put a small canister filter on it so it is pretty well protected and goes to the absolute highest possible point. I have not done this myself yet, but I am considering it, especially after the recent spell of submarine expeditions.
3. How clean did the oil run on your last flush? I seem to recall from rcv2.o's thread that it never did come out completely pure. That would really worry me.
Again, glad to see that the end is near for this little adventure. Good luck with it.
Chris
Tony,
Glad to hear that you are back in business. I am sure you were sweating there for a while.
A couple of questions:
1. What kind of filter is that you have. I just installed a new Uni, which looks a lot like the stock filter, but yours appears to be of a completely different design. Is that a K&N?
2. Have you considered Brian's setup for the CC breather where he routes a line all the way up to just under the seat. I think he put a small canister filter on it so it is pretty well protected and goes to the absolute highest possible point. I have not done this myself yet, but I am considering it, especially after the recent spell of submarine expeditions.
3. How clean did the oil run on your last flush? I seem to recall from rcv2.o's thread that it never did come out completely pure. That would really worry me.
Again, glad to see that the end is near for this little adventure. Good luck with it.
Chris
2. Brian's works, but I like the cleaner smog port option. Same out come though.
3. oil looked real good afrter 5 flushes. 15 min run cycles in between. Also, Seafom is a gas/oil dryer.
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RE: Kato Report
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When we arrived at my house, there was a large spooge of goo under my bike. I looked toward Deej to see if he was going to puke. He held it together until I cleaned the mess.
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It's all good........OK my legs started to give out under the shock of oil in the back of my truck bed.
When we arrived at my house, there was a large spooge of goo under my bike. I looked toward Deej to see if he was going to puke. He held it together until I cleaned the mess.
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It's all good........OK my legs started to give out under the shock of oil in the back of my truck bed.
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RE: Kato Report
ORIGINAL: deej
It's all good........OK my legs started to give out under the shock of oil in the back of my truck bed.
ORIGINAL: a16tony
When we arrived at my house, there was a large spooge of goo under my bike. I looked toward Deej to see if he was going to puke. He held it together until I cleaned the mess.
When we arrived at my house, there was a large spooge of goo under my bike. I looked toward Deej to see if he was going to puke. He held it together until I cleaned the mess.
Monk . . . , sorry, I meant Deej,
What is it that recommend for cleaning that stuff up?
Please, it's time for a "Cleaning Tip by SuperClean"!
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Well if you didn't make the mess, then you wait to see if the person that made the mess is going to clean it up. and then when they are not looking you clean it again.....with lacquer thinner. I know I say that a lot, but it's my everything cleaner.
Hey Tony, or Marty is there anywhere that the Crankcase breather tube mod is posted? Is it necessary to be there in the air box? I want to avoid getting water in the engine like some people that will remain nameless have done.
and then when they are not looking you clean it again.....with lacquer thinner. I know I say that a lot, but it's my everything cleaner.Hey Tony, or Marty is there anywhere that the Crankcase breather tube mod is posted? Is it necessary to be there in the air box? I want to avoid getting water in the engine like some people that will remain nameless have done.
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ORIGINAL: deej
Hey Tony, or Marty is there anywhere that the Crankcase breather tube mod is posted? Is it necessary to be there in the air box? I want to avoid getting water in the engine like some people that will remain nameless have done.
Hey Tony, or Marty is there anywhere that the Crankcase breather tube mod is posted? Is it necessary to be there in the air box? I want to avoid getting water in the engine like some people that will remain nameless have done.
Well, to begin with one has to ride in water to be able to get water into the crankcase. Will that ever happen?
There is nothing anywhere that requires the crankcase breather tube to be connected to the airbox. You can block that off and simply put a cap on the breather and not have that worry. If you take pictures, we can post it as "The Submarine Mod Package" or some such named mod.
If you are going to chart the depths of previously uncharted depths, I might advise you to seriously think about doing this! Instead of running down into the crankcase, it will just stop the engine from running. Makes cleanup a lot easier!
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with lacquer thinner. I know I say that a lot, but it's my everything cleaner
with lacquer thinner. I know I say that a lot, but it's my everything cleaner
You are aware that breathing lacquer thinner fumes is dangerous? It has been known to cause compulsive behavior in many men!
The first noticable sign of this is the growth of hair on your knuckles!
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ORIGINAL: Marty
Well, to begin with one has to ride in water to be able to get water into the crankcase. Will that ever happen?
There is nothing anywhere that requires the crankcase breather tube to be connected to the airbox. You can block that off and simply put a cap on the breather and not have that worry. If you take pictures, we can post it as "The Submarine Mod Package" or some such named mod.
If you are going to chart the depths of previously uncharted depths, I might advise you to seriously think about doing this! Instead of running down into the crankcase, it will just stop the engine from running. Makes cleanup a lot easier!
You are aware that breathing lacquer thinner fumes is dangerous? It has been known to cause compulsive behavior in many men!
The first noticable sign of this is the growth of hair on your knuckles!
ORIGINAL: deej
Hey Tony, or Marty is there anywhere that the Crankcase breather tube mod is posted? Is it necessary to be there in the air box? I want to avoid getting water in the engine like some people that will remain nameless have done.
Hey Tony, or Marty is there anywhere that the Crankcase breather tube mod is posted? Is it necessary to be there in the air box? I want to avoid getting water in the engine like some people that will remain nameless have done.
Well, to begin with one has to ride in water to be able to get water into the crankcase. Will that ever happen?
There is nothing anywhere that requires the crankcase breather tube to be connected to the airbox. You can block that off and simply put a cap on the breather and not have that worry. If you take pictures, we can post it as "The Submarine Mod Package" or some such named mod.
If you are going to chart the depths of previously uncharted depths, I might advise you to seriously think about doing this! Instead of running down into the crankcase, it will just stop the engine from running. Makes cleanup a lot easier!
ORIGINAL: deej
with lacquer thinner. I know I say that a lot, but it's my everything cleaner
with lacquer thinner. I know I say that a lot, but it's my everything cleaner
You are aware that breathing lacquer thinner fumes is dangerous? It has been known to cause compulsive behavior in many men!
The first noticable sign of this is the growth of hair on your knuckles!