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Old Mar 3, 2007 | 11:52 PM
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Haha! So you liked my simple minded rantings?
 
Old Mar 4, 2007 | 05:01 AM
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yes, you're so cool. You sure showed him.
 
Old Mar 4, 2007 | 08:04 AM
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Sure did!

By "him", are you referring to yourself as a third person, or do you have a banana in your pocket?
 
Old Mar 5, 2007 | 04:27 AM
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Yes I surly did, lol.
 
Old Mar 5, 2007 | 07:03 AM
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Of course they have the right to sue. Didn't the gov't sue cigarette companies? Have you ever heard of marketing? Creating a need? Once you become dependant on vehicles it's difficult to start walking again. Car companies have a responsibility to be in compliance with regulations and an obligation to work toward making their vehicles safe. Should we have not removed asbestos? You guys are simple minded fools. The world isn't black and white; all facets of life are interdependent.
You certainly have a right to your opinion, as does everyone else here. As for my opinion the car companies started making low emission and even no emission cars back in the 90's. They even made a completelyelectric car, just plug it in charge it for like $0.10 a day, drive 200 miles on it, they designed it produced it shipped it and sold it like every other car on the lot and guess what happened. Nobody bought the thing. The car companies cannot switch to lowor no emission vehicles because they will go bankrupt. The technology is there for hydrogen powered cars and the only emission is water, and if they start mass producing them they can make them affordable. But do they build them? No. Why? Cause nobody will buy them for 3 reasons:
1. They are ugly as hell, nobody wants to be seen in those things.
2. They are no fun to drive, they are too slow, they aren't good on the freeway, etc.
3. There is no freaking hydrogen, mass production of hydrogen is too expensive, and the process uses so much electricity that it generates almost as much greenhouse gases as a gas powered car.

The car companies already have the technology to produce lower emission vehicles, the only thing they are guilty of is not building a product that they cant sell, and if you think that is wrong then you are living in the wrong country.
 
Old Mar 8, 2007 | 06:18 PM
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electrice cars were recalled, and killed, just like the trolly's. There is no reason that they can't put a nice body on an efficient car. For all we know, car companies are in cahoots with oil companies. Like the credit card companies that will not give up all the dollars they make on fees, I suspect that many of these companies strive to maintain their current standing. I'm just saying that things need to be investigated and people need to be held accountable. Unlike the nmrods who believe they have a choice, and they exert personal responsibility...that comes with education and the environmental conditions that permit those powers. talk about dumbasses! Is it the personal choice of all those who are increasingly suffering asthma and other conditions because of your vehicles? Do you know who pays for all the pollution big companies produce? Do you know who bails their asses out when they are in trouble?
 
Old Mar 8, 2007 | 11:05 PM
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electrice cars were recalled, and killed, just like the trolly's.
And if people actually bought them they would have been fixed and put back on the market, but no one bought them and so theres stillno electric car
There is no reason that they can't put a nice body on an efficient car.
Building an efficient car requires the lowest weight possible and the best aerodynamics availible while still allowing enough room for the driver, thatdoesn't leave many oppurtunities to apply beauty trim or good looks
For all we know, car companies are in cahoots with oil companies.
For all we know they aren't. And even if they are merely building a gas guzzling SUV does not make it popular, people buy them because they want them, not because the oil companies want them too.
Like the credit card companies that will not give up all the dollars they make on fees, I suspect that many of these companies strive to maintain their current standing.
Not sure here but it seems like you are saying that businesses making money is wrong. Credit cards offer a service at a price as do oil companies, if the price is too much people wont pay, if people think it is worth the cost, then they will pay. Take an economics class.
I'm just saying that things need to be investigated and people need to be held accountable.
Agreed, if people are screwing us, I want to know about it and I want them to pay, but what are they doing wrong? Providing popular products to the people who want them in a timely manner is hardly illegal. And a car sittingon a car lotdoesnt produce very much greenhouse gasses, they have to be driven to damage the planet, and the car companies have no control over how much or how little you drive your car. If I drive a hybrid everywhere and you have an SUV but ride your bike the few blocks to work and only use your car for longer rides, i could very well produce more pollution than you, just because I dont have an environmentally conscious mindset like you do, even though your SUV burns more gas.
Unlike the nmrods who believe they have a choice, and they exert personal responsibility...that comes with education and the environmental conditions that permit those powers. talk about dumbasses!
Although it is true many people are not educated as to how much they are polluting the atmosphere, you can harly expect all 300 million Americans to go buy every book, document, and video suggested by Al Gore, and if you truely beleive they should then perhaps you are the nimrod
Is it the personal choice of all those who are increasingly suffering asthma and other conditions because of your vehicles?
No but it is their personal choice to live in LA. If I had a choice between dying and living outside of California I think I could stand living my life somewhere where there are fewer people and air that is breathable. Come to North Dakota, cleanest air you've ever seen.
Do you know who pays for all the pollution big companies produce?
Our kids, I know it sucks but come on its not just cars that are screwing our kids, we got coal powerplants, factories all over the country etc. sueing the car companies will not plug the hole in the ozone.
Do you know who bails their asses out when they are in trouble?
The government who only get elected with support from big corporations

Bottom Line: There is a problem and it needs to be fixed, but suing the car companies is not the answer. Since the 70's the world's governments have been limiting greenhouse gas production and have made incredible progress in slowing the destruction of our planet. Unfortunately the US has been alot slower than the rest of the world in these efforts. If you really want to make a difference, stop ranting on forums where noone cares, and go tell the government to catch up with the rest of the world, follow Kyoto regulations etc. One person can make a difference, but it wont happen if you spend all your time here.
 
Old Mar 8, 2007 | 11:08 PM
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lmao maybe it's our medicine we puff out here really i wonder whylive here sometimes but it's 70 degrees right now and the roads are great out here. the ocean veiws and all. sorta makes up for the f**ked up shiznit out here.
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Perfect example of why i dont live in cali, and why we should not make it and all the crazies part of the us.... they have messed up stuff soooo bad.... [:@] Is there something in the water over there or something, wtf is up with these people? Is there a law in every other state that if your retarded you get deported to cali? ( Im talking about people that make laws and stuff... not you guys on here )
 
Old Mar 9, 2007 | 12:32 AM
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I happen to know someone who works at one of those Companys that sunk millions of dollars into research and development of full electric cars.

The project was axed at the end of proto build. Never made production. Company didnt see a profitable market at the time. What happen to the ones that where around??? You got me.

Yea, ugliest damn car I ever seen. I would rather drive a Ford Festiva...

They still have the technology and are developing better stuff. Its quite possible to see a ElectricSUV that will out perform a gasoline engine SUV down the road. Maybe not times at the track but towing, HP, Toqure. Myself Im not a big fan of it. But I would concider myself a bit oldschool...
 
Old Mar 9, 2007 | 01:05 AM
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I got into a debate about this subject with a guy who was majoring in hydrogen technology and when I brought up that hydrogen cars were slow as hell, his response was that an electric motor can provide an infinite amount of torque at 0 RPM. He just doesn't realize that torque does not equal horsepower and a fuel cell vehicle cannot generate enough electricity to produce that much torque. But if they build a low emission vehicle that cancome close toor exceed the performance, towing, and excitement of a normal vehicle, that's affordable and doesn't make me look like a tool, I'm all over it.
 



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