Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
#41
08-17-2006, 07:07 PM
RE: Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
Sounds like your getting some good help, You may want to contact the track day organizer and ask if any tuners will be there. Over here in cali Race Tech attends some track days and will set the sag on your bike for 20 bucks. Takes two guys about 10 mins to do it.
Worth the call for sure. Don't for get the pics from your track day and what track are you going to?
Worth the call for sure. Don't for get the pics from your track day and what track are you going to?
#42
08-17-2006, 09:17 PM
RE: Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
Yeah. I have my resources.
It's just getting the gremlins out of my head, that like to mess with me, saying the bike won't be the same regardless (even if I put it back to the way it is right now).
Nelson's Ledges is the next day if I can find enough cash to go, school books to buy first...
It's just getting the gremlins out of my head, that like to mess with me, saying the bike won't be the same regardless (even if I put it back to the way it is right now).
Nelson's Ledges is the next day if I can find enough cash to go, school books to buy first...
#43
08-19-2006, 01:21 AM
RE: Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
Regarding quickness of turn in...
I read in a European Mag (Bike I think it was) about turning in and cornering and discovered an element to countersteering that I hadn't noticed before. Countersteering is the most efficient method for getting a bike leaned in for a corner move the handlebars 5 or 6mm and the bike will lean say 10-15% (these numbers are arbitrary and merely illustrative, don't bust out yo' slide rules to prove me wrong). So let's say you are coming up on a long sweeping left turn. You gently countersteer and the bike leans over rather lazily and follows the meandering path, but at the apex you haven't moved the handlebars any more than 5mm. Coming into a sharper corner you countersteer again but this time instead of gradually easing the handlebars 5mm you push them there all at once...bam! the bike drops into the corner and you tag the apex and are gone. In both cases you move the handlebars the same distance but the quickness with which you traveled that distance made a huge difference in how fast you corner.
Based on my interpretation the force applied to the handlebars to countersteer should be fairly light once you have entered the turn. I've been practicing the technique of staing to the outside of the lane (center of the road for right handers, shoulder for lefts) becuase you can see further into the turn, and then turning in later (late apexing) and turning in faster. It makes a huge difference in how you momentum from curve to curve.
okay done being geekish
I read in a European Mag (Bike I think it was) about turning in and cornering and discovered an element to countersteering that I hadn't noticed before. Countersteering is the most efficient method for getting a bike leaned in for a corner move the handlebars 5 or 6mm and the bike will lean say 10-15% (these numbers are arbitrary and merely illustrative, don't bust out yo' slide rules to prove me wrong). So let's say you are coming up on a long sweeping left turn. You gently countersteer and the bike leans over rather lazily and follows the meandering path, but at the apex you haven't moved the handlebars any more than 5mm. Coming into a sharper corner you countersteer again but this time instead of gradually easing the handlebars 5mm you push them there all at once...bam! the bike drops into the corner and you tag the apex and are gone. In both cases you move the handlebars the same distance but the quickness with which you traveled that distance made a huge difference in how fast you corner.
Based on my interpretation the force applied to the handlebars to countersteer should be fairly light once you have entered the turn. I've been practicing the technique of staing to the outside of the lane (center of the road for right handers, shoulder for lefts) becuase you can see further into the turn, and then turning in later (late apexing) and turning in faster. It makes a huge difference in how you momentum from curve to curve.
okay done being geekish
#44
08-19-2006, 02:16 AM
RE: Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
On blind corners I always stay on the outside of the corner avoiding the inside because an oncoming bike or car may misjudge and be slightly over the line on my side. If it was a road I didn’t know I would aim for slightly off the middle but never too close to the line. I was always trying to be safe and fast, not just fast. Of course this is road smarts and not desirable on the track.
#45
08-21-2006, 01:25 AM
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RE: Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
ORIGINAL: technophile
Regarding quickness of turn in...
I read in a European Mag (Bike I think it was) about turning in and cornering and discovered an element to countersteering that I hadn't noticed before. Countersteering is the most efficient method for getting a bike leaned in for a corner move the handlebars 5 or 6mm and the bike will lean say 10-15% (these numbers are arbitrary and merely illustrative, don't bust out yo' slide rules to prove me wrong). So let's say you are coming up on a long sweeping left turn. You gently countersteer and the bike leans over rather lazily and follows the meandering path, but at the apex you haven't moved the handlebars any more than 5mm. Coming into a sharper corner you countersteer again but this time instead of gradually easing the handlebars 5mm you push them there all at once...bam! the bike drops into the corner and you tag the apex and are gone. In both cases you move the handlebars the same distance but the quickness with which you traveled that distance made a huge difference in how fast you corner.
Based on my interpretation the force applied to the handlebars to countersteer should be fairly light once you have entered the turn. I've been practicing the technique of staing to the outside of the lane (center of the road for right handers, shoulder for lefts) becuase you can see further into the turn, and then turning in later (late apexing) and turning in faster. It makes a huge difference in how you momentum from curve to curve.
okay done being geekish
Regarding quickness of turn in...
I read in a European Mag (Bike I think it was) about turning in and cornering and discovered an element to countersteering that I hadn't noticed before. Countersteering is the most efficient method for getting a bike leaned in for a corner move the handlebars 5 or 6mm and the bike will lean say 10-15% (these numbers are arbitrary and merely illustrative, don't bust out yo' slide rules to prove me wrong). So let's say you are coming up on a long sweeping left turn. You gently countersteer and the bike leans over rather lazily and follows the meandering path, but at the apex you haven't moved the handlebars any more than 5mm. Coming into a sharper corner you countersteer again but this time instead of gradually easing the handlebars 5mm you push them there all at once...bam! the bike drops into the corner and you tag the apex and are gone. In both cases you move the handlebars the same distance but the quickness with which you traveled that distance made a huge difference in how fast you corner.
Based on my interpretation the force applied to the handlebars to countersteer should be fairly light once you have entered the turn. I've been practicing the technique of staing to the outside of the lane (center of the road for right handers, shoulder for lefts) becuase you can see further into the turn, and then turning in later (late apexing) and turning in faster. It makes a huge difference in how you momentum from curve to curve.
okay done being geekish
#46
08-21-2006, 02:35 AM
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RE: Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
i think i have the answer to..
Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
answer: pay one of the haydens to ride it
Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
answer: pay one of the haydens to ride it
#47
08-21-2006, 04:39 AM
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RE: Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
answer: pay one of the haydens to ride it
#49
08-22-2006, 07:32 AM
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RE: Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
My bike steers very quick I think. When I first got it, I felt it was too quick. I just thought about turning and it was there. Had to stop it from going further. It's all rider input, body positioning & timing. Practice makes perfect. Have you got & read the book yet?
#50
08-24-2006, 12:31 AM
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RE: Easiest way to make bike steer quicker ('06 636)
ORIGINAL: xrider
Is this a common thing to do? I just don't want to do something ill advised (not that gotrice would push something too ill advised).
Is this as easy as it looks to do? I mean the tube are up about 10mm right now (from the top of the fat tube) so just loosen the bolts and dropping it another 5 seems simple and won't require changing brake or clutch levers. I guess I would drop the clip-ons first and tighten them so no matter what the tube can't fall more than 6 mm. I'll leave about 1mm like there is now between the clip-ons and the tube.
Is this a common thing to do? I just don't want to do something ill advised (not that gotrice would push something too ill advised).
Is this as easy as it looks to do? I mean the tube are up about 10mm right now (from the top of the fat tube) so just loosen the bolts and dropping it another 5 seems simple and won't require changing brake or clutch levers. I guess I would drop the clip-ons first and tighten them so no matter what the tube can't fall more than 6 mm. I'll leave about 1mm like there is now between the clip-ons and the tube.