MCM complete, newbie experience
#1
MCM complete, newbie experience
hey all,
figured i would share my newbie experience on the MCM and provide the steps a I took as well as the seat of the pants results. I did what seems to be a short cut version based on some videos i saw (did not remove the cams) and did not do the steps to modify or disable the KACR. I will apologize for the longwindedness now
After doing the MCM i put in the N1TC needle with the clip on the top notch (i had been running the stock needle, shimmed). I have to say i was a little nervous, I was having a hard time moving the sprockets, especially on the intake side- I thought I lost count of the teeth a few times and worried that Ii had totally messed up. I had made some additional marks with my sharpie marker on the cams to try to help but quickly smudged them away. I was initially confused as to what i was actually adjusting since it seemed that simply moving the sprockets would have no impact on the cams- but from what i understand, the small adjustment you need to do to the cams after adjusting the sprockets is what we are after with this mod?
after removing the cam cover and tensioner, my process was as follows:
with all that being said, I'm kind of curious of how I would really tell if I had horribly messed up? On both cams we are moving the top bolt to the opposite hole (exhaust to intake, intake to exhaust) so had i moved more or less an 2 teeth, i would have to compensate by moving the cam more or less in order to line up with the new holes. Since its running good, I'm hopeful that i did not mess up- just curious if there would be obvious signs if i did. More or less asking for the "margin of error" with this mod. Lastly, any ill effects of NOT disabling the KACR? I'm not understanding why this has to be done with the MCM mod, and the bike started well both hot and cold throughout the day.
apologies again for the long post, but i figured this might serve helpful for some other folks and i wanted to share my experience.
figured i would share my newbie experience on the MCM and provide the steps a I took as well as the seat of the pants results. I did what seems to be a short cut version based on some videos i saw (did not remove the cams) and did not do the steps to modify or disable the KACR. I will apologize for the longwindedness now
After doing the MCM i put in the N1TC needle with the clip on the top notch (i had been running the stock needle, shimmed). I have to say i was a little nervous, I was having a hard time moving the sprockets, especially on the intake side- I thought I lost count of the teeth a few times and worried that Ii had totally messed up. I had made some additional marks with my sharpie marker on the cams to try to help but quickly smudged them away. I was initially confused as to what i was actually adjusting since it seemed that simply moving the sprockets would have no impact on the cams- but from what i understand, the small adjustment you need to do to the cams after adjusting the sprockets is what we are after with this mod?
after removing the cam cover and tensioner, my process was as follows:
- put exhaust cam to TDC, marking the cam with lines for TDC.
- removed bottom bolt, rotate, remove top bolt.
- remove sprocket, hold chain tension, rotate 2 teeth, put back on.
- slightly adjust cam to line back up with the new intake hole on the sprocket, bolt back on the top and then bottom cam bolt.
- put intake came to TDC, mark the cam with lines for TDC.
- removed bottom bolt, rotate, remove top bolt.
- remove sprocket, hold chain tension, rotate 2 teeth, put back on.
- slightly adjust cam to line back up with the exhuast hole on the sprocket, bolt back on the top and then bottom cam bolt.
- put tensioner back in & button her back up.
with all that being said, I'm kind of curious of how I would really tell if I had horribly messed up? On both cams we are moving the top bolt to the opposite hole (exhaust to intake, intake to exhaust) so had i moved more or less an 2 teeth, i would have to compensate by moving the cam more or less in order to line up with the new holes. Since its running good, I'm hopeful that i did not mess up- just curious if there would be obvious signs if i did. More or less asking for the "margin of error" with this mod. Lastly, any ill effects of NOT disabling the KACR? I'm not understanding why this has to be done with the MCM mod, and the bike started well both hot and cold throughout the day.
apologies again for the long post, but i figured this might serve helpful for some other folks and i wanted to share my experience.
Last edited by defenestrate; 10-02-2017 at 02:46 PM. Reason: added detail
#2
Personally I disabled the compression release because it just isn't needed. Why blow half the fuel charge out the exhaust when trying to start. It may have been needed on the kick start 250/300, but just not needed with e-start. As for MCM it is based on Marcelino's experience.
#3
You did not set and maintain TDC on the combustion stroke while doing the work ?
With both cams bolted onto the correct set of holes, there is not much else to go wrong except screwing up the gear reposition on the chain - IIRC, the gears are rotated toward each other when doing the repositioning..
Your KACR should now be far "out of spec" and you should not have hot start capability..The KACR should be keeping the exhaust valve open way too long into the combustion cycle for proper hot starting..
With both cams bolted onto the correct set of holes, there is not much else to go wrong except screwing up the gear reposition on the chain - IIRC, the gears are rotated toward each other when doing the repositioning..
Your KACR should now be far "out of spec" and you should not have hot start capability..The KACR should be keeping the exhaust valve open way too long into the combustion cycle for proper hot starting..
#4
Perhaps your KACR is nonfunctional.. The hot start issue is a proven problem with MCM+unmodified KACR..
The loss of power above 6.5k - from your previous mod combo - should only be a fraction of a hp. The increases elsewhere more than makes up for this, right ? .
The loss of power above 6.5k - from your previous mod combo - should only be a fraction of a hp. The increases elsewhere more than makes up for this, right ? .
#5
You did not set and maintain TDC on the combustion stroke while doing the work ?
With both cams bolted onto the correct set of holes, there is not much else to go wrong except screwing up the gear reposition on the chain - IIRC, the gears are rotated toward each other when doing the repositioning..
Your KACR should now be far "out of spec" and you should not have hot start capability..The KACR should be keeping the exhaust valve open way too long into the combustion cycle for proper hot starting..
With both cams bolted onto the correct set of holes, there is not much else to go wrong except screwing up the gear reposition on the chain - IIRC, the gears are rotated toward each other when doing the repositioning..
Your KACR should now be far "out of spec" and you should not have hot start capability..The KACR should be keeping the exhaust valve open way too long into the combustion cycle for proper hot starting..
interesting on the KACR. i rode for about 20 minutes. killed it, then went back out maybe 2 hours later for about 45 minutes. not a "hot" start, but it fired right up with no choke. i'm pretty sure once i came back home i killed it and started again but i will try out the hot start scenario, i don't want to get stuck in the woods down the road. worst case i'll pop the head cover off again and pull that spring off- can that be done while its still on the cam or does it need to be removed?
#6
yes, i much prefer the current set up with the bumps in the lower ranges.
#7
Yes, I misspoke.. The overall result of the MCM is that the CAMS are moved slightly toward each other.. The direction of the gear repositioning is that the gears move away from each other...
You'll certainly need to test hot starting very carefully.
You'll certainly need to test hot starting very carefully.
#8
still not having any issues with a hot start. i rode for about 30 minutes, shut down for a few minutes, started right back up. rode for another 15, shut down same thing. Perhaps the KACR is not functional after all...
#9
Well outstanding!
Perhaps we've already talked about this - I can't remember .. With that short N1TC needle@1N(top notch), you must use the stock slide spring on an undrilled slide lift hole/port. Both DJ needles must do this as well but it is paramount when using the N1TC. If your lift port is drilled, JB weld it shut and carefully redrill with a 3/32 bit. If spring is unknown, order a new one.. The results are worth far more than the hassle/cost...
If I am only just now giving you this guidance, I sincerely apologize..
Perhaps we've already talked about this - I can't remember .. With that short N1TC needle@1N(top notch), you must use the stock slide spring on an undrilled slide lift hole/port. Both DJ needles must do this as well but it is paramount when using the N1TC. If your lift port is drilled, JB weld it shut and carefully redrill with a 3/32 bit. If spring is unknown, order a new one.. The results are worth far more than the hassle/cost...
If I am only just now giving you this guidance, I sincerely apologize..
Last edited by Klxster; 10-08-2017 at 04:47 PM.
#10
Well outstanding!
Perhaps we've already talked about this - I can't remember .. With that short N1TC needle@1N(top notch), you must use the stock slide spring on an undrilled slide lift hole/port. Both DJ needles must do this as well but it is paramount when using the N1TC. If your lift port is drilled, JB weld it shut and carefully redrill with a 3/32 bit. If spring is unknown, order a new one.. The results are worth far more than the hassle/cost...
If I am only just now giving you this guidance, I sincerely apologize..
Perhaps we've already talked about this - I can't remember .. With that short N1TC needle@1N(top notch), you must use the stock slide spring on an undrilled slide lift hole/port. Both DJ needles must do this as well but it is paramount when using the N1TC. If your lift port is drilled, JB weld it shut and carefully redrill with a 3/32 bit. If spring is unknown, order a new one.. The results are worth far more than the hassle/cost...
If I am only just now giving you this guidance, I sincerely apologize..
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