KLX 250SF BEST 90 Street 10 Dirt Tire Set up HELP!

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Old 03-19-2013, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RockabillSlapMatt
That's just the claimed high on the supermotojunkie website from several forums regarding the avon ds compound
Ya, for sure. I have never been able to get 'as advertised' mileage from a bike tire...and it's not like I go around doing burnouts either! In fact I have found especially with dual compounds, I end up wearing through the shoulders first.
Back to the OP however, if you plan on doing anything more than scooting up and down unpaved lanes, I would go more aggressive than a 90/10. In my experience 70/30 is about the minimum required for off road. Anything more street oriented than that and you'll find grass, mud, sand, loose gravel, and ice more challenging than they need to be.
 
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Ya, for sure. I have never been able to get 'as advertised' mileage from a bike tire...and it's not like I go around doing burnouts either! In fact I have found especially with dual compounds, I end up wearing through the shoulders first.
Back to the OP however, if you plan on doing anything more than scooting up and down unpaved lanes, I would go more aggressive than a 90/10. In my experience 70/30 is about the minimum required for off road. Anything more street oriented than that and you'll find grass, mud, sand, loose gravel, and ice more challenging than they need to be.
I got 7,000 miles out of the stock rear tire. It was pretty flat in the center but it wasn't un-rideable. Could have been horribly cheap and road it another 500-1000. As for the stock front, I have 8,900 and counting on it. It's probably going to be time in another 1,000-1500 to swap that out. 3,000 seems extremely low but i guess it all depends on compound and I did see that a lot of people were getting pretty high mileage out of these stock IRC's.

As for my original problem. I don't want to go more aggressive then a 90/10 because i do ride more road and I want to pound the turns whenever possible. I've ridden it all with these street tires... dirt, mud, loose gravel, rocks, etc so i'm actually pretty comfortable off road. I just had a little scare the other week on some hard pack stuff that was wet(basically mud ice) and if i could get something with just a little more bite it would be nice. I'm starting to think it might be hopeless though. If i ever win the lottery, i'm going to start a tire company that makes dual sport tires of various styles for supermotos so everyone has the perfect tread/size they need and you all will get free ones! Now show me the winning ticket! haha. Thanks everybody for all your info. It's much appreciated!
 
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jboden
I got 7,000... a lot of people were getting pretty high mileage out of these stock IRC's.*

As for my original problem. I don't want to go more aggressive then a 90/10 because i do ride more road and I want to pound the turns whenever possible.
I replaced the stock IRCs after the first 500km because they were so hard and I wanted to go off road, so I'll never know if what kind of mileage I could have gotten out of them. Perhaps they would have faired better than my usual experience.

Regarding your concern that a more aggressive tire may compromise street handling, yes, you are correct, and I initially shared your concern myself. However, the KLX is relatively light, underpowered, and with a pretty low top speed, meaning that it's not generating a lot of forces on the tires. Certatainly when I ran a set of non-DOT Pirelli full knobbies on the KLX, it made it a little squirrely on pavement, but anything at least as street oriented as 50/50, and there's no worries. You'll certainly be gripping no worse than those horrible IRCs!

I come from a background of sportbikes and road course racing. I also frequently test, what I consider to be, the limits of sane riding on public roads with the KLX . I have no concerns running the KLX hard on pavement with more aggressive dual sport tires, and I think you'll be disappointed with the lack of off road traction you'll get with a 90/10.
 

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I hit some loose gravel and wiped out, or if I go to fast in the dirt my front tire pushed and I start getting a small speed wobble. It freaks me TFO haha. I'm going to go 90/10 and report back one of these days, I'll also report back when I replace my rear tire and show a picture just for you Cytosis
 
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If all you need is a marginal bit of extra traction when you encounter an occasional patch of gravel, than perhaps a 90/10 is your best bet. (I'll be honest, I didn't even know there was any DS tire less aggressive than 80/20). But in my experience, even 80/20 just doesn't cut it if you want to leave pavement behind. You'll be able to run a 70/30 or even 50/50 on the KLX without serious compromise to its streetability.
 
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Originally Posted by go cytocis
If all you need is a marginal bit of extra traction when you encounter an occasional patch of gravel, than perhaps a 90/10 is your best bet. (I'll be honest, I didn't even know there was any DS tire less aggressive than 80/20). But in my experience, even 80/20 just doesn't cut it if you want to leave pavement behind. You'll be able to run a 70/30 or even 50/50 on the KLX without serious compromise to its streetability.
i agree

my kickstand gets dragged alot on the street with my shinko 244s. its pretty amazing the corner speed the bike generates with them. i think my rear will last 3.5k miles and they are cheap to buy.
 
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my kickstand gets dragged alot on the street with my shinko 244s.
This is good to know. I have no issues scrubbing the chicken strips clean off my Shinko 700s on pavement, and I am planning on 244s for my next set...
 
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Originally Posted by go cytocis
I replaced the stock IRCs after the first 500km because they were so hard and I wanted to go off road, so I'll never know if what kind of mileage I could have gotten out of them. Perhaps they would have faired better than my usual experience.

Regarding your concern that a more aggressive tire may compromise street handling, yes, you are correct, and I initially shared your concern myself. However, the KLX is relatively light, underpowered, and with a pretty low top speed, meaning that it's not generating a lot of forces on the tires. Certatainly when I ran a set of non-DOT Pirelli full knobbies on the KLX, it made it a little squirrely on pavement, but anything at least as street oriented as 50/50, and there's no worries. You'll certainly be gripping no worse than those horrible IRCs!

I come from a background of sportbikes and road course racing. I also frequently test, what I consider to be, the limits of sane riding on public roads with the KLX . I have no concerns running the KLX hard on pavement with more aggressive dual sport tires, and I think you'll be disappointed with the lack of off road traction you'll get with a 90/10.
Thanks for the input. I think i'm going to stick with the street supermoto set up for now. Try to just keeping building confidence off road. In a straight line I don't have a problem going 50-60 mph on dirt. That's why I feel a 90/10 would be fine for me. It would just be nice to hit the corners as hard. lol Although, i shouldn't complain. A buddy of mine is a pretty accomplished MX racer. He rides a drz400SM with us on michelin pilot powers and people with d/s set up's have a hard time keeping up with him. It's quite a sight to see. The KLX is under powered but the handling as opposed to a DRZ400sm is amazing. Throw a full exhaust,bill blue's pumper carb and 351 big bore on it and it's relatively powerful great handling bike. I love it.
 
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With slicks you have to fight the bike, at 60mph and deep sand or loose rocks and the cront wheel will snap to the left or right you go flyig
 
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jboden
In a straight line I don't have a problem going 50-60 mph on dirt. That's why I feel a 90/10 would be fine for me....A buddy of mine is a pretty accomplished MX racer. He rides a drz400SM with us on michelin pilot powers
OK, if you're talking about going 50 - 60 mph in 'dirt', then we are obviously talking about two different types of terrain. Sorry for the confusion .
If you become interested in getting onto single-track or other gnarlier places where you'll be lucky to get up to 20mph, never mind 50 or 60, you'll definitely not be wanting to try that on a set of Pilots! Then again, one of the things I am enjoying most about dual sport myself is taking the wrong equipment into inappropriate places!
 


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