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Old May 22, 2012 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ahnh666
in the past, the moto started with choke out on cold mornings, and i would quickly push choke back in once it started to keep the mornings quiet while engine warms...put on my helmet and gloves, and check all lights and cables each morning...it's my morning routine to give the bike time to warm up....

...if i start the moto and push the choke back in immediately, the engine stops...i started to warm the engine with choke out while i put on my helmet and glove, but when i push the choke back in...it'll idle regularly for a bit and die again....i have to let the engine warm for almost 2 minutes with the choke out...it idles fine and runs smooth when the engine is warm....
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Choke - When the engine is cold, fuel vaporizes less readily and tends to condense on the walls of the intake manifold, starving the cylinders of fuel and making the engine difficult to start; thus, a richer mixture (more fuel to air) is required to start and run the engine until it warms up. A richer mixture is also easier to ignite.

While I understand that you are experiencing something out of the norm you need to look at the big picture. The choke is used to help warm up an engine. If you push it back in immediately you're not allowing it to do it's job. The goal is to get to a normal operation temperature quickly not quietly... but going from zero warmup time to a smooth idle to 2 minutes is quite a change. It's also probably not as cold in the mornings now either.

I'd give it a $1.98 tuneup and/or a full carb clean just for grins. You may also just have a tank of bad gas.
 
Old May 22, 2012 | 05:25 PM
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One other thing to check is your idle. I think 1350 is normal.
 
Old May 22, 2012 | 05:46 PM
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i fill up gas every single day, so it's probably not the gas...91 octane and i don't pump at stations with shared single pump for all octanes...i'm pretty **** about taking care of things....i go to a gas station that has separate pumps for 87, 89 and 91 octane......ultra ****....

when starting and if i push the choke back in too soon, it idles at about 1,100 to 1,200...it'll bog down to 1,000 and cut out...once warmed...it idles strong and fine at 1,300+ range...

when i was using the pricey redline 10w/30 and 10w/40 full-synthetic oil mix, i didn't have any problems with keeping the choke out...this problem only started after i started using yamalube 10w/40 semi-synthetic oil....maybe it's just the oil and the yamalube takes longer to warm....that is the only change i made on the klx250...going from full-synthetic to semi-synthetic oil...

Originally Posted by jeffzx9
Just wondering about the viscosity and pour point of your semi-syn. If the additive package is marginal and your base stock is just a bit thicker, it's (remotely) possible there's a slight viscosity change during those two minutes. Negligible on a big block V-8, but perhaps noticeable on a small-ish single cylinder.
 
Old May 22, 2012 | 06:10 PM
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(The YammerLube may use more paraffin in their base. Not a "bad" thing; there ARE benefits to using a semi-syn, but I don't want to ignite that oil thread Jihad...)

(The "condensation" theory^ seems backwards; you would experience a shorter warm-up time as the ambient temperatures warm. Your warm-up time has increased....which is what Lotrat is also saying^. We're on the same page.)

My 2 cents.
 

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Old May 22, 2012 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ahnh666
when i was using the pricey redline 10w/30 and 10w/40 full-synthetic oil mix, i didn't have any problems with keeping the choke out...this problem only started after i started using yamalube 10w/40 semi-synthetic oil....maybe it's just the oil and the yamalube takes longer to warm....that is the only change i made on the klx250...going from full-synthetic to semi-synthetic oil...
Switch back and see what happens. You can confirm or eliminate the known variable from the equation.
 
Old May 22, 2012 | 11:09 PM
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seems like a costly experiment especially if i'll be draining the oil again for the valve check/adjustment....i'll just wait to see what happens after the valve check/adjustment....and, than try different oils to see if the oil is the cause of needing the choke out longer than before...

which brand, oil and weight do you use? how long do you have to keep the choke out before you can push it back in after starting?

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Switch back and see what happens. You can confirm or eliminate the known variable from the equation.
 
Old May 23, 2012 | 01:12 AM
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I can just about guarantee this has nothing to do with your oil. My best guess is a fuel delivery problem, but diagnosing carb and fuel problems on the internet is tough...even for a genius like dan888.
 
Old May 23, 2012 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TNC
...even for a genius like dan888.

Ha ha...call him out!
 
Old May 23, 2012 | 01:49 PM
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Here is an ultra-low-cost test, put 87 Octane-rated gas in it, see if it makes a positive difference. Since you don't have a turbocharger or a higher compression piston/gasket setup, there is no apparent reason to use higher than 87 Octane anyway. You just may fix your problem AND spend less money from here on out.

Octane ratings are NOT Quality ratings......many 87 Octane fuels are superior to many 91 (or higher) Octane fuels, because of the additives that are used to achieve the higher Octane characteristic.
 
Old May 25, 2012 | 02:34 AM
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might give it a try...easy enough test...

Originally Posted by Blackheart58
Here is an ultra-low-cost test, put 87 Octane-rated gas in it, see if it makes a positive difference. Since you don't have a turbocharger or a higher compression piston/gasket setup, there is no apparent reason to use higher than 87 Octane anyway. You just may fix your problem AND spend less money from here on out.

Octane ratings are NOT Quality ratings......many 87 Octane fuels are superior to many 91 (or higher) Octane fuels, because of the additives that are used to achieve the higher Octane characteristic.
 



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