25 year sentance for a guy that killed a biker!
 

So they finally punished a guy that got wasted, and ran over a guy on a bike. It's about time! But the twist is, that the perp is an illegal alien. So now we have to support his sorry ass in prison, then he gets deported. The ass hole would probably be better off in prison than back in his home land, free room and board you know! Well, at least they did something about it I guess.

http://www.theledger.com/article/200...atal-I-4-Crash

Regardless of whether or not the individual killed from a person DUI/DWI is a biker, the person DUI/DWI should be under all circumstances be held accountable for their actions. But at the same time, the person driving DUI/DWI did not premeditate to kill someone with their vehicle. So it is a moral dilemma? I would assume the contributing circumstances before determining punishment for an individual guilty of DUI/DWI.

Throw the book at 'em. Anyone that gets drunk and gets behind the wheel is completely negligent. Maybe not premeditated, but 100% idiot and should be removed from the general population for they cannot be trusted with other people's safety and well-being.

Seems like I'm reading about minivans full of kids getting killed every week around here by drunk drivers. Personally, I'm tired of seeing it. F*k the 12 step program, I could care less, these people take out whole families in one fell swoop. Lock'em up and throw away the key.

So you are saying you have never operated a motor vehicle after 1. consuming and beverage which alters your current state of mind/judgement or 2. after injesting PRESCRIPTION medication which alter your current state of mind/judgement?

DWI defines the scope of any substance which alters your current state of mind and affects judgement.

Should we throw the book at you because you took your sinus meds that made you sleepy which made you less alert and resulted in you rear ending a family and killing them?

See where i'm going with this? :)

If that person is an illegal alien he /she will be deported. Unfortunately that person will probable sneak back into the country with in a week or so, and there is nothing we can do about it except catch that individual again and start the deportation process over again.
Talk about a broken record huh.

Wow, life sucks, doesn't it? Let's see, let me get drunk and, oh, I don't know, go kill some people. If it was done with a gun it would be considered mass murder and they would probably get the death penalty. But because they do it with a car it's OK? Those people are just as dead. Kind of like the difference between a "crime" and a "hate crime", I just don't get it. The victim is just as dead either way. I don't call getting drunk and then driving and killing someone an accident. It's not an accident.

My wife was just telling me yesterday about a family with something like four kids getting hit by a drunk driver. Only one of the kids survived. How would you like to be that kid that wakes up in the hospital and finds out not only his mom and dad are dead, but all his brothers and sisters, too?

Sorry, but I got zero sympathy for it. See where I'm going with this?

It is obviously evident you are not well versed in law.

1. mass murder and multiple fatalities in a traffic accident with alcohol involved are very different. The difference is that murder is premeditated and vehicular homicide isnt.
a. With a mass murder there is an elaborative plan and premeditation that occurs prior to the crime. Intent is prevalent and necessary to charge a person with this crime.
b. DUI has no premeditation and no set determination that the parties involved with the intoxicated individual will actually sustain any injury as a result of the driver's intoxicated state. No intent or premeditation occurs with this crime. In addition to getting charged with DUI you will also be charged with vehicular homicide. It has it's own seperate charge, which is comparable to maslaughter in the 1st degree since the automobile is deemed as a deadly weapon in the eyes of the law.

2. In the eyes of the law there is no distinction made between alcohol and your medication. You are either under the influence of any substance (including mass quantities of water that imbalance your electrolytes) or you are not.

So if your theory held true about killing a person while under the influence of alcohol, if you were to get into a bar fight resulting in the death of an individual using your hands only, it would be murder in the 3rd degree instead of manslaughter in the 3rd degree.

I can see where your view is coming from but after having worked 2 1/2 years in the crime scene unit for Mobile Police Department my views have changed. I see no difference between a reckless driver crashing into a family as opposed to an intoxicated driver crashing into a family and killing them. Either way you look at it, there is still a collision resulting in fatalities. There is death whether you are sober or not. Dead is dead. Just be glad its not one of your own.

I think it was seven people that got killed in that mess!

I don't take medication and I don't drink and I certainly wouldn't do it and drive. And there is such a think as an accident, sometimes circumstances prevail and it cannot be helped. But choosing to drink and drive is no accident. Most drunks are usually repeat offenders and have had done it "lots of times" before they kill someone. They didn't do it by accident, they chose to do what they did. You can rationalize it all you want and quote law about cough medicine all you want. Drunk drivers are a menace and should be removed from the roads, by force if necessary. And I do think the deaths that result from their choice to careen down the roadways too impaired to operate their 2 ton vehicle safely should be punishable as murder. There's just plain and simple absolutely no excuse for it.

And don't even get me started on texting. I believe statistics show that people that text and drive are even worse. I guess it just won't sink in to some people until it happens to them or a close family member or someone they know. And all of a sudden it will be important.

What can you really do, though? Make the punishment so harsh that it becomes a viable deterrent? I doubt that really works. Sadly, there are no good answers. Some people just insist on being negligent idiots that are a danger to others. They're a danger to themselves, too, but I could care less about that, that's their choice. But they don't have the right to make that choice for other people.

Yeah, I read about that, I think that was some guys fleeing from the police and hit a car with two adults and 5 kids, and 4 of the kids got killed. I cannot even begin to imagine the pain that family is going through.

hehe I'm a texter and a driver. Thank God for multitasking!!! :D

You are 23 more times likely to be in an accident by doing so.

I'll take my chances. But i'm sure its more likely to be involved in an accident on a motorcycle than it is texting. :D

Watch out for those drunk drivers and people texting. They are 23 times more likely to hit you. :(

Worst I saw was a lady driving a large RV on a motorway. She was steering with her elbows and knitting. Maybe she thought the sat nav display was a knitting pattern lol.

Rob

test have proven that a person who text and drive is more likely to get into an accident than a drunk driver.

IMO (and many others)texting and driving is worse. Its not something to brag about. sorry to be negitive thats just how i feel.

See, I have a problem with statistics; I always have. You can throw statistics at someone all day but the statistics are only as good as the group tested. The test group is based off the average person. I really have a problem being compared to the average person since I have paperwork to prove otherwise. To me, that is an insult on my abilities and intelligence - as it should any other person with above average capabilities. But to each his own I suppose. It is your right to believe each statistic and information thrown at you from supporters/aggressors to support their cause. Either way you choose, there is a sense of inaccuracy in the information you are receiving.

True dat! Chiksta is in a league of her own! And obviously highly intelligent.

Of course, every single one of the people tested thought the same thing. :rolleyes: End result? 23 times more likely to cause an accident. Some innocent person or family will likely eventually pay the price for your arrogance.

We'll just have to see about that. On that note, some innocent person or family may pay the price for the one driver error you make because you are human and make mistakes. Don't throw statistics at me when you are just as vunerable to the same scenarios as I am.

Oh an btw,

When I wake up in the morning, I piss excellence. Its hard being me! :D



Love ya Worlok! hehe

Love you too Chiksta! Some advice to the forum, do not argue with the Chiksta, you will never win!:D:D:D

So who are you to say its ok to make mistakes with others family When you can just pull over. and you say your highly intelligent

Sure, accidents happen, some can't be avoided. But when you knowingly reduce your ability to avoid them by 23 times, that's a big difference. Note that it's not twice as likely. Or five or ten TIMES as likely, but TWENTY THREE TIMES as likely to be the cause of an accident. Have fun looking little Johnny's parent's in the eye after you run over him and his bicycle because you were "'lol'ing" your girlfriend. :(

You obviously know exactly what you are doing, risks and all, and have made a conscious choice about it. Not much more to be said, is there?

I don't drink, take meds or even drive if I'm too tired. Good people don't add that to the equation. PERIOD!!!

2 years ago I was on a jury for 4 days that dealt with this exact same situation. I got zero tolerance for anyone who drives while under any influence. And I got less tolerance for anyone who tries to justify said influence.

;)

P.S. if someone killed my family because they were drunk, prison would be the only safe place for them. You can take that to the bank my friends.

Right on Deejer!

All I have to say is that there is a 77% chance of arriving safely. The benefits clearly outweigh the risks more than 4x over the mere 23% "chance".

If a doctor told you your problems would be remedied by an operation with a 77% success rate, I'd assume you would take the 77% chance and disregard the 23% failure rate.

People only want to ignore the other side of the story when their statistic benefits the point they are trying to prove and only then the statistic is skewed because the test group is likely to be the ones in favor of the subject being opposed to. Go figure. :rolleyes:

I guess the point I am trying to make here is that just being here breathing you take a chance every second you live your life and some risks are calculated and others are just plain stupid. There are too many variables with any risk to characterize everyone into one group. Not everyone reacts the same to every situation.

I have a good one for you guys, I used to be in law enforcement. I've had guys who had ZERO reaction to pepper spray. Heck, I'd be over there choking and slobbering all over myself while the guy I just sprayed is licking it off his face. The fact of the issue is you are entitled to your own opinion and lifestyle choices but it is not plausible to group an entire population based off a skewed control group.

The end, I'm done with this debate. Lets move on to the next topic of discussion. :D

Whoah......ok first of all chick, you are totally wrong in all of your examples and analysis. We all share the road with a variety of people doing stupid things. But for someone to do something that is not only stupid but illegal, the discussion is over. There will be two groups, those of us who don't like it, and will fight tooth and nail to stop it and those who try and make up excuses for those who do and in some cases are themselves offenders as well.

When someone you care about is hurt or worse, you will fall into the first category..;)

For someone who claims to be so smart, you sure do make some questionable points.

Let's take texting and break down this "skill" while driving. One of the reasons people are so dangerous driving while texting is because they are constantly taking their eyes off the road. Many times for over 5 seconds at a time while they find their place and keep reading / pressing buttons - eyes looking down or focused 2 feet in front of them, totally oblivious to what is happening up ahead for that time. I'm sure you've heard about the 2 second rule when following in traffic, that's because that's generally how long it takes to react to event in front of you and make an avoidance maneuver. Well guess what having your eyes off the road for 5 seconds does, not even looking at the road ahead for 5+ seconds?

So no matter how fast you think your reaction time is, you must first see the event in order to react. If you aren't looking, you won't see it so you can't possibly even react. That's why you see so many people die at intersections when the person texting behind them fails to notice the light is red and just plows right into them from behind.

You aren't going to "win" this debate. And the fact that you have tried to make some of the seriously inane points here throws a lot of things into question, especially since you talk about how smart you are. Does the same thing translate over to "how good a driver" you are, too? One has to wonder. People generally think very highly of their abilities when in reality they are very average, or even below average. Based on how you've presented yourself here, I would have to put you in the latter category. Sorry to be so harsh, but someone had to say it.

OK Chiksta, points well taken, but why would you want to text while driving when a blue tooth would be much easier, and probably safer to boot. I dont know why but I hate texting, and if I tried that while driving, I would kill somebody for sure.
Since you have a higher than average IQ, it is probably very easy for you to do. But we at KF love you and care for you, and never want to see you harmed. We cherish and need all of our beloved members, so we always try to guide them in the correct moral direction. We also care about the public and the safety of all people. We try to always look at the big picture, and try to convince our members ( our family ) to at least think about the right thing to do in any given situation in order to preserve the lives of our fellow human beings.
And too, you are a friggin women and most of them could't drive a Radio Flyer wagon through a airplane hanger without bumping to fock into something. And if you get in a wreck texting, I am gonna come down there and kick your stubborn ass! :D:D:D

You are much more diplomatic than me, worlok. :)

No, I just know when I cant win an argument, but I can kick some ass:D:D:D

Deej, Nobrakes, Worlok,
Very well put. I stand and applaud you three

Well I will put my .02 cents in. I don't really give a rats rear if its DUI, DWI, Wreckless Driving, or Drunk Driving after 12 years of pulling these idiots out of a wreck I have 0 tolerance for it. It's one thing to say you can text and drive but go to Chicago or any other city for that matter and see how many times you almost get run off the road but some A?? trying to talk or text.

The other night I was discussing with the wife the Perception Test someone posted on here and the fact of the matter is whether you ride a bike that is 5 to 6 feet long or in my case, drive a semi that is 75 feet long most people don't notice you anyways. You would think that people would pay attention to the beast beside, behind, or coming at them than can crush them like a tin can but most people are too stupid to care.

I agree 100% with Nobrakes and DeeJ. Its either right or wrong. There is no in-between, or exception to the rule, no matter what type of excuse anyone may have or give.

Chick the more you argue your point the more foolish you make yourself look.
Making a medical decision with a 77% chance of success is not even comparable to 23% greater chance of causing an accident/injury. In one example you are improving someone’s life in the other you are taking someone’s quality of life away. There is a night and day difference. There is also a huge difference in book smart which you say you have proof on paper (which is awesome and I applaud you) vs. street smart and common sense.

We are obviously not going to change your habits so good luck to you and your ventures, and hopefully you will not be a statistic.

wow Worlok you sure can open a can of worms.

Sup beachessss ... sorry it took so long to respond. I am married to my job. Yessss!! =)

Well it is evident we all have our opinions and people think I'm a re re. O well, all is fair in love in war. I guess I'll have to continue to take my "calculated" chances. :)

Wrong, you just piss like the rest of us

lolz dude .. you have never seen Talledega Nights? When they were interviewing Will Ferrell after one of his races he says that. hehehehe :)

Well I think Chiksta is highly intelligent and coordinated along with a high level of multitasking ability. If anybody can pull it off, it is the chiksta! But if she ever does has a wreck while texting, I'm gonna kick her ass:D:D:D