Gander mountian has 96 ruger lcps just in but there priced $125 more then what I got the kel tec for.

 

Sadly, they will sell like hot-cakes.

And, FWIW, I heard a rumor they were having them on sale for $349.

 

Thats the price i was talking about.

 

With the cpl we don't need it either just thought I tired both option see what works first.

 

Here in PA you can get your conceal carry permit on the spot, it just takes a few minutes. And there is no pistol purchase permit. Just a background check and a sales receipt that goes to the state police. They do that as a loophole because in PA its illegal to register guns so they do that instead. Its so funny, the government really can do and has been doing what it wants for a long time, its just been under the table and dormant. This whole recent Democrat Socialism movement with a stronger federal government is really nothing new. Like how they taxed AIG. No one agrees with what AIG, but the government broke contract because they were mad and taxed them. Well they didn't technically break the contract, they found a loophole thats the same exact thing, so they did it.

End rant.

Oh, and FYI, Alaska only requires photo ID as a cc permit, and Vermont requires none, if your under 18 (or maybe 16?) you only need paren'ts written permission. lol

 

What county in PA is giving out permits on the spot?? Its a 2 week or so wait while they run backgound checks, at least in central pa couties.
Make sure to put at least 200rds thru that kel Tec before depending on it, they do need to break in. And run at least 25 rds of your HP carry ammo thru it.
I love my P3AT, its as good as a Ruger, and I am a Ruger fan. You'll carry the P3AT alot more than you think. Get a Desantis nemisis holster and a spare mag.

 

I for one do not mind at all the requirement to take a class and give the state time to do a thorough background check. There are a lot of hot-heads and crazies out there after all, and chances are that has already gotten them into trouble, and the background check will find that and their permit will be denied. I think that is a good thing. One sure way to ensure gun rights come under a pin point microscope is to have a few well-publicized cases where a legally carrying nut job misuses it. The media will have a field day with that. I don't mind armed citizens at all, but I'd like to know they are somewhat trained and don't have a past criminal or mental illness history.

 

Old man. Central PA most certainly gives them out on the spot. I am originally from Cambria County and they gave it out on the spot and I now live in Blair County...it was on the spot too. Cambria is (or at least use to be) really cheap too. Blair County is now $35

No brakes, its not really about what we do and don't agree with as individuals or what is technically "right" or "wrong". For example, a severe mentally ill patient running around with a gun. I can't think of anyone that agrees to such a thing....however, the federal government trumps all state and local laws and the Constitution is Federal, and the second amendment is a right and no where in that right does it mention any type of restrictions such as that. I of course would be against criminals and severe mentally patients owning guns, but thing is, if they want to make that illegal then they need to amend the constitution. Its that simple. You can't just go around doing whatever you want and making up the rules. Like we have the freedom of speech, but go into an airport and yell "BOMB!" You'll be arrested so fast your head will spin. This may sound super technical, but you have to make it that way because its a matter of judging us by our own rules. You can't make a rule up and then change it on the fly, we aren't commies. Like the government taxing AIG because they got pissed. Well guess what, the moronic "all knowing" federal government gave them OUR money and they blew it. Live with it and learn from it. You can't just do whatever you want because you get pissed. We can't do that as citizens, so the government shouldn't be allowed to either. No wonder we're falling apart.

 

Hey brother, don't get me wrong. I think REASONABLE gun control laws are what is needed for today's times. I think everyone should have to take a safety and tactical class both written and performance in order to receive a gun permit, both hand and long guns. After you receive this permit you have the RIGHT to conceal carry, open carry, self defend, and PURCHASE guns. Without the permit you can't do any of those things. And as long as someone meets the simple, pre-laid criteria ... then no one can be denied. For example..you can't be crazy, you can't be a criminal, you have to have eyesight ( I actually heard a guy on the radio recommend the Taurus Judge for a woman who was legally blind because it fires .410 shot shells, if you can't see what you shooting, you don't shoot it!!), you must pass the written and performance test.

I don't see a single thing wrong with that set up... anyone else? ... Seriously, am I missing out on a right of ours that I'm overlooking maybe?

My previous post was simply that the governing body needs to look at the rule books and what they have been doing lately, take some Valium, and start straightening the hell up. We aren't 5 years old anymore where we can just change the already prewritten rules when we are losing...or a add rules without proper procedure. The larger society/population gets the more complex the rules have to become in order to keep everyone in line. Quite simply, if our highest law (the Constitution) says that we have the right to bear arms... and no other law restricts those rights due to crime or whatever...then you have to abide by those rules, if you don't like it...then change it. Do it right.

 

Gotcha. I somehow read more into what you said than what you said. I thought you were saying that since it was written into the Constitution, that gun rights could not be taken away, regardless of criminal past, mentally unstable, etc.

It should be noted that, at least here in NC, and many other states, just about any person can strap on a gun and walk down the street like in those old westerns and be perfectly legal as long as they don't try to conceal it. It's not against the law. But as soon as you conceal it, that's where you need the permit to be legal. Seems a kind of weird, but that's how it is.