Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
#21
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
Good luck with the MC endorsement. I just got mine about 3 weeks ago, for the second time in 25 years. I should have never let it go a few years back, but you live and learn.
#22
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
If I didn't misunderstand an earlier post on the subject....how can the valves NOT last at least the 7500 miles that are allowed before adjustment is recommended?
I don't know that this is absolute but would an indication of preamature valve wear be to always find them tight or getting tight quickly after adjustment?
Steve F
I don't know that this is absolute but would an indication of preamature valve wear be to always find them tight or getting tight quickly after adjustment?
Steve F
#23
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
ORIGINAL: chainslack
If I didn't misunderstand an earlier post on the subject....how can the valves NOT last at least the 7500 miles that are allowed before adjustment is recommended?
I don't know that this is absolute but would an indication of preamature valve wear be to always find them tight or getting tight quickly after adjustment?
Steve F
If I didn't misunderstand an earlier post on the subject....how can the valves NOT last at least the 7500 miles that are allowed before adjustment is recommended?
I don't know that this is absolute but would an indication of preamature valve wear be to always find them tight or getting tight quickly after adjustment?
Steve F
I think the rate at which they tighten down between adjustments is the key indicator that they are going south in a hurry.
#24
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
ORIGINAL: bmwhd
I put it more on the side of a mistake by the tech writers.
I think the rate at which they tighten down between adjustments is the key indicator that they are going south in a hurry.
I put it more on the side of a mistake by the tech writers.
I think the rate at which they tighten down between adjustments is the key indicator that they are going south in a hurry.
#25
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
ORIGINAL: bmwhd
While that number is on par with other street bikes these days, it's much longer than the 300 owners have experienced over the last 10 years. I'm hoping Kaw has made some change that reflects this confidence on their part but I doubt it. I put it more on the side of a mistake by the tech writers.
While that number is on par with other street bikes these days, it's much longer than the 300 owners have experienced over the last 10 years. I'm hoping Kaw has made some change that reflects this confidence on their part but I doubt it. I put it more on the side of a mistake by the tech writers.
What I have heard is that if the valve clearences are out of spec, they may not completely close at the time of chamber combustion. And this condition can lead to rapid deterioration of the valves themselves and their seats. By keeping the clearences in proper spec, you would thus maximize valve life. Perhaps the folks that report short valve lives have left (unknowingly) an out of spec valve clearence condition go untreated?
By the same token, conditions of pre-combustion might have a similar effect. Can this be caused by an improperly adjusted carborator (too rich, too lean)?
My parts have arrived for the carb jetting and airflow mods and, while I plan to do it, that is something that's been in the back of my mind. Is it possible that if the fuel, air, and exhaust ratios aren't done just right, we are shortening the life of certain engine parts - namely valves?
#26
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
ORIGINAL: incabiker
I don't like the sound of that I hope the damn idiots didn't mess up so bad that the tech writer got it wrong and the editor didn't catch the mistake either, thats really damned bad, and will mess up alot of peoples bikes. This should have been one of the things that had high priority on checking. I have found errors in the book though, like small grammatical ones, but thats it.
ORIGINAL: bmwhd
I put it more on the side of a mistake by the tech writers.
I think the rate at which they tighten down between adjustments is the key indicator that they are going south in a hurry.
I put it more on the side of a mistake by the tech writers.
I think the rate at which they tighten down between adjustments is the key indicator that they are going south in a hurry.
The next time I'm at the dealer (Grapevine Kawasaki, whom I trust), I'm going to talk to the service manager about this topic in detail.
#27
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
ORIGINAL: Nobrakes
I wonder if the valve wear is dependent on how the bike is ridden at all? Sounds like, of the members of this forum, sdunne is probably the hardest on his machine. I have no idea if that has any bearing on valve wear, though. My gut feeling is that riding the engine hard is not that big of a factor, and wear probably depends more on proper tuning, and maintaining valve clearences.
What I have heard is that if the valve clearences are out of spec, they may not completely close at the time of chamber combustion. And this condition can lead to rapid deterioration of the valves themselves and their seats. By keeping the clearences in proper spec, you would thus maximize valve life. Perhaps the folks that report short valve lives have left (unknowingly) an out of spec valve clearence condition go untreated?
By the same token, conditions of pre-combustion might have a similar effect. Can this be caused by an improperly adjusted carborator (too rich, too lean)?
My parts have arrived for the carb jetting and airflow mods and, while I plan to do it, that is something that's been in the back of my mind. Is it possible that if the fuel, air, and exhaust ratios aren't done just right, we are shortening the life of certain engine parts - namely valves?
ORIGINAL: bmwhd
While that number is on par with other street bikes these days, it's much longer than the 300 owners have experienced over the last 10 years. I'm hoping Kaw has made some change that reflects this confidence on their part but I doubt it. I put it more on the side of a mistake by the tech writers.
While that number is on par with other street bikes these days, it's much longer than the 300 owners have experienced over the last 10 years. I'm hoping Kaw has made some change that reflects this confidence on their part but I doubt it. I put it more on the side of a mistake by the tech writers.
What I have heard is that if the valve clearences are out of spec, they may not completely close at the time of chamber combustion. And this condition can lead to rapid deterioration of the valves themselves and their seats. By keeping the clearences in proper spec, you would thus maximize valve life. Perhaps the folks that report short valve lives have left (unknowingly) an out of spec valve clearence condition go untreated?
By the same token, conditions of pre-combustion might have a similar effect. Can this be caused by an improperly adjusted carborator (too rich, too lean)?
My parts have arrived for the carb jetting and airflow mods and, while I plan to do it, that is something that's been in the back of my mind. Is it possible that if the fuel, air, and exhaust ratios aren't done just right, we are shortening the life of certain engine parts - namely valves?
What bad carburation will do to valves is this: too lean (i.e. the factory settings, IMHO) will cause the engine to run hot. That's bad all the way around and will shorten valve life.
#28
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
ORIGINAL: bmwhd
Well, that's a reasonable question. I'm going to err on the side of checking mine more often than that. While that number is on par with other street bikes these days,
Well, that's a reasonable question. I'm going to err on the side of checking mine more often than that. While that number is on par with other street bikes these days,
#29
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
ORIGINAL: motoguy128
7500 is very short to 14,000 RPM and make 150HP out of 1000cc. That similar to our bike pumping out close to 40HP. Even with the Muzzy, you're only at 25HP tops. 300cc kit gets you to around 30HP.
ORIGINAL: bmwhd
Well, that's a reasonable question. I'm going to err on the side of checking mine more often than that. While that number is on par with other street bikes these days,
Well, that's a reasonable question. I'm going to err on the side of checking mine more often than that. While that number is on par with other street bikes these days,
#30
RE: Valve Life? Are the KLX250S heads different than the KLX300R
I would like to think we can have our high performance & longevity together.
I am not famliar with older kwaker 4 strokes but I think they would be like the earlier xr hondas in terms of last & last & abuse & abuse & NOT rebuild & rebuild.
I have a honda xr650r & yamie tt350 both are durable & much fun.
With the right valves & seats & good maintainance this new klx should go a good while before the thought of a rebuild.
Would I be a whiner if I wanted a kickstarter on it?
Steve F
I am not famliar with older kwaker 4 strokes but I think they would be like the earlier xr hondas in terms of last & last & abuse & abuse & NOT rebuild & rebuild.
I have a honda xr650r & yamie tt350 both are durable & much fun.
With the right valves & seats & good maintainance this new klx should go a good while before the thought of a rebuild.
Would I be a whiner if I wanted a kickstarter on it?
Steve F