I hate to admit it, I added a slip-on
 

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After so many back and forths, mainly with KLXster and others on the forum, I finally caved and added a slip-on. My bike always starts and warms perfect and fast, never once has is acted any different, 3500 miles now. I swapped sprockets and found a huge difference, settling on 14/50, quick off the line and top speed at 70mph. I was satisfied, but giving up on first gear wheelies.
Then, I saw the Asia-only race GPB slip-on for sale (classifieds) and got it for $120 shipped. It is loud and now am waiting for my DB Killer to arrive. My next step is to remove the airbox lid. As KLXster argues, no real need to worry about water, and I believe him. We'll see how much more seat of the pants power I feel. As it is now, with just the slip-on, it seems to run though the gears a bit faster, particularly in first and second. Also, it weighs 4 lbs versus the stock at 8lbs.

Ever drown a bike in the middle of a creek? My old trials bike has no lid, the top is open and it "took a drink". It isn't fun pushing out of water over one's knees.

If you don't ride in conditions where it will not happen, no lid is fine. I will have that possibility, so the lid remains on with the large snorkel. If I had the supermoto version with the supermoto tires I'd have the lid on a shelf. It is where one may ride, not an absolute.

I dig the look of it. It does look loud though! I bet you can get a nice boost in power with a lidless airbox and a little jet work. No MCM for you?

This is why I'm hanging on to my lid and snorkel. My bike is going to see a large variety of riding - streams, mud, sand and tarmac. Right now its wide open for the lake ice and cold air. But at some point its getting corked back up and down-jetted for corresponding conditions.

I agree with the fact that the pipe looks really good. Have fun on the ice.

Is it melting the turn signal? My FMF cooks the bottom of mine just a bit. Put some aluminum tape on the bottom to help with the heat.
Hope it works out well for you!

Anthony, don't even think about pulling off the airbox lid until you have the CVK set up correctly for lidless running.

Not one lidless owner (me included) has ever reported a problem with water, mud, etc, getting into the airbox. The airbox is well protected. I submit that any event that drowns a KLX will do so whether there is a lid on the airbox or not..

Submit all you please - would you come up and pull my bike out of the water and clean it out should it drown out if I take the lid off? It's only 1500 miles or so.

You know I do a number of things to minimize risk even when the risk is very low, heck I even carry a spare tire in the car in spite of not having a flat on the road over the past thirty or so years. The performance difference for my riding, lid on or off is so minimal it isn't worth it. I really do not want to push out of a creek when I get into that situation having been there and done that with an open top air filter. I've also seen both ATVs and motorcycles sitting in water crossings, drown out. Not to mention all those open top air boxes with mud in them, when I was working at the dealership. Popping the lid off on ATVs was almost an automatic. I'm sure that muddy water doesn't ever draw through the filter when it gets on it now, does it? Seems even motocross bikes run a more or less well shrouded air box too.

Fact is if I want to ride some horsepower I get out the 650.

Sure, I'd be happy to run up there and take care of your bike for you.. What are friends for ?

KLxster, I was hoping to not have to remove the carb just now. I thought going lidless combined with the slip-on would suffice for a bit. Thanks for letting me know about the negative effects of going lidless without rejetting.

Verwah, The MCM is tempting. I'm so reluctant to remove the head, or even the carb. The bike starts and runs so damn well, never a single issue. I'm a very experienced mechanic, but over the years have found sometimes, leaving well enough alone isn't at all bad. Now with the pipe added, I may be going down the rabbit hole. It is nice to know when I get in there, I'll find all of you already there!

klx678, I live in SoCal, we're lucky to see water at all, let alone drown a bike. Seriously, I wish I could find some mud somewhere. Ice, what is that?

As for the signal canklx, yeah, it melted it completely off during my 2 mile test run. :eek: I ordered a new one. I'm going to add a deflection shield on the pipe once I receive and install the DB Killer. C'mon ebay, waiting for all my goodies!

Confused you with the guy running ice in WI. For where you live I'd toss your air box lid, too... unless the monsoons of the other parts of CA come your way or if you ride in real silty conditions where the baffling of the snorkel will help keep the silt from caking on top of your filter. Just sayin' different conditions require different approaches, you have to look, evaluate, and think. If you run a K&N and hit the desert you will want one of their socks or go back to a foam filter. I forget if desert riders run foam dry or not, something you'd have to ask about. Again conditions you ride in.

Right now I'd like to toss my air box lid and come down there with you! The temps are sinking... Pretty soon all sub freezing too often.

Grab your linen and quit your grinnin.. I'll tweak-up your bike and you can offroad everyday..

I hear ya, bud. I am drawing the line at head and cylinder removal for now. I'm a tinkerer by nature. Had to give the free MCM mod a try. I will say though, I suspect it added a good bit of grunt. I just happened to do a lot of mods at once. A no-no by many measures, but with the knowledge here I felt pretty safe jumping to a fairly radical setup right away.

Enjoy the slip-on and db reducer! Keep those turn signals from melting! lol

I've been running without a lid for over 10 years. Its alllllll good!

I also flipped my lid too....I'm not sure what that means but it sounded funny. :)

MCM and the lidless CVK recipes are not experimental. You start with a perfectly operating bike, you do them correctly - you do them without error - and you go instantly from zero to hero.. Unfortunately, any mistakes made, or faults introduced, during the wrenching session, that cause operational issues, are usually automatically blamed on everything - everything except the actual cause - which is always the "wrencher"..

Still have a few years left to work... Daughter and son-in-law are in Austin, so it is entirely likely some time that I will ride the hill country there.

So true.

Hey Mark my son lives in Austin too. Let me know when you come down to ride the hill country and we'll keep you company.

Well you are in luck. One hour away from Austin (which is just "around the block" in Texas) is the very best "one shot" for getting Texas riding experience - and my current favorite riding ranch (of which there are many) - Hidden Falls Adventure Park, 7040 Ranch Rd 1431, Marble Falls, TX 78654

Their website is worth reviewing..

Now to get the bike there some time... I'm hoping to retire in a few years here, income permitting.

I finally put a few miles on the bike with the new pipe. Didn't touch the carb and still running the stock air box and foam air cleaner.The bike has more acceleration. I blow through the gears so fast, I feel like I'm shifting constantly. I'm still waiting for my DB Killer to arrive from China, but I've grown used to the sound.

You should go down to the local (Harley) tuning shops and grab a DJ140 or K152 CVK main jet. Simply tilt the carb while on the bike, pull the bowl, put in the jet, yank off the airbox lid, hang on tight!

Old Harleys use CVK's, but use larger jets... still, most tuning shops have "buckets" of these jets...

P.S. Once you feel the power increases - as you mod-up your bike - you'll have to swallow all your older posts chastising power mods... Have no fear, we'll forgive you..

What?! Is it really so simple? Even I could do that! …I'm going to need a bigger fuel tank!

Well, tilting the carb far enough to pull the bowl is not a trivial operation - hoses must be disconnected, throttle cables disconnected, etc, and it is all easier if you pull the fuel tank first...
And if you don't/can't get everything connected back up correctly as it was before you started, your bike will not run, or run right..