Engine Noise, what is it?

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Old 09-10-2017, 01:11 AM
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I'm back guys. I picked up a 2009 last weekend. Its got 19,000 miles on it and was advertised as needing a rebuild or parted out. I got it for $550 and figured I would make it a 351 or replace the whole motor depending on the issue. Here is where I am so far.

I've got the carb cleaned (new jets) and new battery installed and got the KLX250s put back together. I checked and adjusted valve clearance so I know they are in spec. The bike also has a manual cam chain tensioner that I adjusted so I know its not cam chain noise. I believe its coming from the piston area of the motor and may be the piston or rings.

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Hard starting (need starting fluid if cold start)
If you take the choke off before its really warm it dies

Here is a video I took with the choke on and the bike running around 4500 RPM


Here it is at idle


What do you think? Should I do a compression or leak down test? I don't have the equipment to do that, so should I just tear the motor down to the jug and piston and see?
 
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Old 09-10-2017, 03:29 AM
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That almost sounds familiar...
Pull the oil filter and cut it open-if there is a pile of metal get ready for a new crank.
 
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GBAUTO
That almost sounds familiar...
Pull the oil filter and cut it open-if there is a pile of metal get ready for a new crank.
I just pulled the filter and cut it open. No metal other than from where I sawed it in two. Although I don't know when the oil was changed last so metal could have been in a previous filter.

I'm afraid I'm probably just going to have to drain all fluids and start removing parts till I find the issue.
 
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:05 PM
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Is splitting the cases required to inspect the crankshaft gears?
 
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:34 PM
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I would look at the piston first, the crank would be the last thing to go...almost.
 
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Old 09-11-2017, 01:07 PM
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I spent all day yesterday tearing into the motor. I started on the clutch side of the bottom end and removed the clutch basket and plates so I could get an eye on the crankshaft gear that drives the cam chain. All was good there an no broken teeth like I have seen a couple other post in the past. So I decided to go in to the top end and check out the piston and cylinder. Those both looked pretty dang good for a bike with 19,000 miles on it. I removed the piston and checked play on the rod, very little side to side which I have read is normal and no up and down play. At the end of the day I did not find anything out of the normal.

Where should I go from here? I think about the only think left that it could be would be the crankshaft bearings, but I couldn't feel any play in the crankshaft when using the rod to try and move it.

Should I just put it back together and ride it? I'd like to do a 351 but am kind of hesitant to spend that kind of money and then have something severe happen.




 

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Old 09-11-2017, 08:08 PM
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First I would measure the piston and cylinder bore to find what clearance it is at. Many times parts can look great but be running with huge clearances.
 
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:05 PM
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Get a cheap stethoscope and try to find out what part of the engine the noise is originating in. https://www.harborfreight.com/catalo...&q=stethoscope

The cam journals are known to get wiped out when the oil level drops to far.

Ride on
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:38 PM
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I don't think it matters any longer. I screwed up. You can see in the bottom left hand corner of the picture the bolt hole is busted. I did not reach the recommended torque value listed in the manual before this happened. I new head is $700+, a used motor around a grand. I'm not sure its worth it. I could just part it out.

 

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Old 09-12-2017, 12:02 AM
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None of the pics are displaying for me.

At least you don't have much money into it. Should be able to recoup your investment pretty easily.
 

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