Bill Blue 331 safe engine RPM?
I mis-routed that hose once... it was slightly pinched between the frame and the rear fender just south of the wiring harness. I did not have a problem at the time but did what was needed to remove the restriction.
As the engine cools vacuum will draw the coolant back into the engine (recovery). A restriction or even a tiny leak can interfere with the process possibly leaving the engine low on coolant.
You may want to inspect your radiator cap closely or just replace it.
As the engine cools vacuum will draw the coolant back into the engine (recovery). A restriction or even a tiny leak can interfere with the process possibly leaving the engine low on coolant.
You may want to inspect your radiator cap closely or just replace it.
seems to me when the engine heats up, the coolant travels to the reservoir but when it cools, something is preventing the coolant from traveling back to the radiator and due to the high pressure the hose that connects to the bottom of the reservoir is leaking.
when i open the radiator cap after each ride, i get an "air pressure sound", like opening a can of beer.
im not sure how a cracked cylinder can cause this problem but if its a cracked cylinder then my luck is certainly bad.
i will check the hose again tomorrow, maybe take it off and run of stream of water through it to make sure no blockage then put it back on. if the problem is not solved by next week, i will change the cylinder head gasket.
And if the problem is still there, i will get rid of the big bore and install back the stock cylinder head and piston.
Lots of others on the internet with overflow bottle problems on their bikes and cars etc.
Answer range from a leak in the hose going to the bottle, radiator cap seal, to a head gasket.
Maybe try moving your bottle right next to the radiator cap with a short extra piece of new hose connecting it to the overflow spout and see if you can eliminate the long hose going back to the bottle now as part of the problem.
The air pressure 'pop' when you take off the cap could be from a head gasket leak pressurizing your cooling system. What happens if you idle the engine with the cap off? Can you see bubbles in the coolant? (sorry if you answered that earlier)
I had head gaskets leak on two cars back in 2010; my worst year ever for buying used cars
. Overheating and bubbles in the coolant as you look into the cap opening were common symptoms
Answer range from a leak in the hose going to the bottle, radiator cap seal, to a head gasket.
Maybe try moving your bottle right next to the radiator cap with a short extra piece of new hose connecting it to the overflow spout and see if you can eliminate the long hose going back to the bottle now as part of the problem.
The air pressure 'pop' when you take off the cap could be from a head gasket leak pressurizing your cooling system. What happens if you idle the engine with the cap off? Can you see bubbles in the coolant? (sorry if you answered that earlier)
I had head gaskets leak on two cars back in 2010; my worst year ever for buying used cars
. Overheating and bubbles in the coolant as you look into the cap opening were common symptoms
Last edited by Richard Avatar; Jun 6, 2014 at 09:49 AM.
Lots of others on the internet with overflow bottle problems on their bikes and cars etc.
Answer range from a leak in the hose going to the bottle, radiator cap seal, to a head gasket.
Maybe try moving your bottle right next to the radiator cap with a short extra piece of new hose connecting it to the overflow spout and see if you can eliminate the long hose going back to the bottle now as part of the problem.
The air pressure 'pop' when you take off the cap could be from a head gasket leak pressurizing your cooling system. What happens if you idle the engine with the cap off? Can you see bubbles in the coolant? (sorry if you answered that earlier)
I had head gaskets leak on two cars back in 2010; my worst year ever for buying used cars
. Overheating and bubbles in the coolant as you look into the cap opening were common symptoms
Answer range from a leak in the hose going to the bottle, radiator cap seal, to a head gasket.
Maybe try moving your bottle right next to the radiator cap with a short extra piece of new hose connecting it to the overflow spout and see if you can eliminate the long hose going back to the bottle now as part of the problem.
The air pressure 'pop' when you take off the cap could be from a head gasket leak pressurizing your cooling system. What happens if you idle the engine with the cap off? Can you see bubbles in the coolant? (sorry if you answered that earlier)
I had head gaskets leak on two cars back in 2010; my worst year ever for buying used cars
. Overheating and bubbles in the coolant as you look into the cap opening were common symptomsyeah i do have bubbles when the cap is off and the engine is on, is it possible for combustion pressure to enter the radiator while no coolant enter the engine? like i mentioned earlier, i wish i had a clearer sign on what is wrong.
One more thing, after the big bore, when i look at the gasket for the big bore, the water channel holes are pretty close to the bore itself chances of leaks are quite high.
Last edited by janov7613; Jun 7, 2014 at 12:31 AM.
You might want to do a pressure test of the cooling system at the radiator cap. The cooling system should hold pressure. If it bleeds down you have a leak. Testing at the cap is independent of the recovery system.
Pull the spark plug during the pressure test. See if any coolant leaks into the cylinder. If not then the head gasket to cylinder seal is fine, but you could still have a coolant leak into the crankcase.
If your oil is milky or has a yellowish in color then there is water in your oil. Oil and water plus heat make the oil acidic and can do bad things to crank bearings over time.
I have not done a big bore kit yet but plenty of experience with infernal combustion powered transportation.
I am seriously considering a BB 331 kit as my next improvement so....
Good Luck and keep us posted
Pull the spark plug during the pressure test. See if any coolant leaks into the cylinder. If not then the head gasket to cylinder seal is fine, but you could still have a coolant leak into the crankcase.
If your oil is milky or has a yellowish in color then there is water in your oil. Oil and water plus heat make the oil acidic and can do bad things to crank bearings over time.
I have not done a big bore kit yet but plenty of experience with infernal combustion powered transportation.
I am seriously considering a BB 331 kit as my next improvement so....
Good Luck and keep us posted
If you do end up replacing the head gasket, I'd strongly recommend going all the way down and replacing the cylinder base gasket as well, while you're in there. It shouldn't be that much extra work and you don't want to replace your head gasket and put everything back together, only to still have problems due to a bad base gasket. Good luck. I've got a thousand miles racked up on my big bore and so far it's been all smiles. I'll probably keep my fingers crossed til the day it dies lol. I'm planning on (hoping for) at least 30,000 miles out of this machine before I need to do another top end. If I get 50k+, as some reportedly have, then that'd be awesome, but I'm not counting on that much, especially since a lot of the miles I put on my dual sports are very rough, low speed off road use, which can amount to two or even three times more engine-run-time than cruising along at 60 mph on smooth highway. I'll do 4 to 6 hour day rides where I only put 30 to 50 miles on the bike! Think about how many miles I'd have on the odometer if those six hours were spent slabbing it down Interstate 10 lol... My DR200 has 20,000 miles, but if all its run-time were only highway commuting, it'd probably show more like 35,000!
Last edited by kj7687; Jun 7, 2014 at 08:52 AM.
You might want to do a pressure test of the cooling system at the radiator cap. The cooling system should hold pressure. If it bleeds down you have a leak. Testing at the cap is independent of the recovery system.
Pull the spark plug during the pressure test. See if any coolant leaks into the cylinder. If not then the head gasket to cylinder seal is fine, but you could still have a coolant leak into the crankcase.
If your oil is milky or has a yellowish in color then there is water in your oil. Oil and water plus heat make the oil acidic and can do bad things to crank bearings over time.
I have not done a big bore kit yet but plenty of experience with infernal combustion powered transportation.
I am seriously considering a BB 331 kit as my next improvement so....
Good Luck and keep us posted
Pull the spark plug during the pressure test. See if any coolant leaks into the cylinder. If not then the head gasket to cylinder seal is fine, but you could still have a coolant leak into the crankcase.
If your oil is milky or has a yellowish in color then there is water in your oil. Oil and water plus heat make the oil acidic and can do bad things to crank bearings over time.
I have not done a big bore kit yet but plenty of experience with infernal combustion powered transportation.
I am seriously considering a BB 331 kit as my next improvement so....
Good Luck and keep us posted
Last edited by kj7687; Jun 7, 2014 at 09:02 AM.
KJ7687 - Thanks for the feedback Just curious, what altitude to you generally ride?
The main reason for thinking BB331 is last weekend I went on a ride with a substantial climb at high altitude. The section I failed on was the last of 3 switch backs which totaled over 1000 ft climb in less than a mile. The climb topped out at about 10,500ft. In the last section the bike began to drop power until I stalled it. The stall occurred fairly quickly once the rpm dropped below 4K rpm. The engine felt like it was running out of steam. Once stalled I got it restarted it did not initially want to rev over 5K. I ended up slipping the clutch to keep the RPMs high enough to keep it running and get up the last section of the climb. I am correctly jetted for ideally about 7000ft.
My riding companions recommended getting a bigger bike like they we on: DRZ400, KTM500, XR650 etc. I was the only little bike (250) at the event; a fund raiser for the New Mexico Off Highway Vehicle Association (NMOHVA) . The group was really supportive in keeping me from turning around an going back down. This is the first time I felt let down on my KLX. Other than the last 100 yards of that climb the other 65 to 70 miles of mud holes, short rocky climbs, snow drifts and water crossing the bike performed flawlessly; even if the rider didn't.
Thanks
The main reason for thinking BB331 is last weekend I went on a ride with a substantial climb at high altitude. The section I failed on was the last of 3 switch backs which totaled over 1000 ft climb in less than a mile. The climb topped out at about 10,500ft. In the last section the bike began to drop power until I stalled it. The stall occurred fairly quickly once the rpm dropped below 4K rpm. The engine felt like it was running out of steam. Once stalled I got it restarted it did not initially want to rev over 5K. I ended up slipping the clutch to keep the RPMs high enough to keep it running and get up the last section of the climb. I am correctly jetted for ideally about 7000ft.
My riding companions recommended getting a bigger bike like they we on: DRZ400, KTM500, XR650 etc. I was the only little bike (250) at the event; a fund raiser for the New Mexico Off Highway Vehicle Association (NMOHVA) . The group was really supportive in keeping me from turning around an going back down. This is the first time I felt let down on my KLX. Other than the last 100 yards of that climb the other 65 to 70 miles of mud holes, short rocky climbs, snow drifts and water crossing the bike performed flawlessly; even if the rider didn't.
Thanks
Capt, I'm assuming this high altitude ride was on dirt of some kind. At that altitude you would most likely have needed one notch of needle drop and probably a main jet drop of one size. It's just usually a requirement when you tackle those kinds of altitudes. It will likely be necessary regardless of having more displacement. The actual stall was probably just a result of the idle needing to be turned up a bit as you were climbing. Displacement will certainly help, but high altitude riding...especially on trail or gravel...improves by a ton with proper jetting. If you're just going over an occasional pass with most riding done at noticeably lower levels, you can suffer through. However, when I go to CO or such, I go for the high country riding, so a rejet is more than worth the trouble...even with a bigger bore.
Yes i will definitely replace the base gasket as well, since it comes in a set of top and base, i will definitely replace both. The brand of gasket used by Bill is Cometic, i believe this should be good quality gaskets. However the top gasket looks like it has flashes at the side, im not sure if this is normal. But one thing which stands out is the proximity of the water channels to the bore, installation of the gasket has to be very careful and tidy. i will watch the tech install it this time, also gives me a good chance to have a look if the other parts are ok.
i checked the hose that connects the radiator to the reservoir and it seems ok, but i re-lay the hose to see if there is any difference. i flushed the radiator again and put in new coolant. i will run it again this week and it there is still problem, i will replace the gaskets. i also ordered Engine Cool but have not arrived yet, hope that will help too.
i checked the hose that connects the radiator to the reservoir and it seems ok, but i re-lay the hose to see if there is any difference. i flushed the radiator again and put in new coolant. i will run it again this week and it there is still problem, i will replace the gaskets. i also ordered Engine Cool but have not arrived yet, hope that will help too.
If you do end up replacing the head gasket, I'd strongly recommend going all the way down and replacing the cylinder base gasket as well, while you're in there. It shouldn't be that much extra work and you don't want to replace your head gasket and put everything back together, only to still have problems due to a bad base gasket. Good luck. I've got a thousand miles racked up on my big bore and so far it's been all smiles. I'll probably keep my fingers crossed til the day it dies lol. I'm planning on (hoping for) at least 30,000 miles out of this machine before I need to do another top end. If I get 50k+, as some reportedly have, then that'd be awesome, but I'm not counting on that much, especially since a lot of the miles I put on my dual sports are very rough, low speed off road use, which can amount to two or even three times more engine-run-time than cruising along at 60 mph on smooth highway. I'll do 4 to 6 hour day rides where I only put 30 to 50 miles on the bike! Think about how many miles I'd have on the odometer if those six hours were spent slabbing it down Interstate 10 lol... My DR200 has 20,000 miles, but if all its run-time were only highway commuting, it'd probably show more like 35,000!
KJ7687 - Thanks for the feedback Just curious, what altitude to you generally ride?
The main reason for thinking BB331 is last weekend I went on a ride with a substantial climb at high altitude. The section I failed on was the last of 3 switch backs which totaled over 1000 ft climb in less than a mile. The climb topped out at about 10,500ft. In the last section the bike began to drop power until I stalled it. The stall occurred fairly quickly once the rpm dropped below 4K rpm. The engine felt like it was running out of steam. Once stalled I got it restarted it did not initially want to rev over 5K. I ended up slipping the clutch to keep the RPMs high enough to keep it running and get up the last section of the climb. I am correctly jetted for ideally about 7000ft.
My riding companions recommended getting a bigger bike like they we on: DRZ400, KTM500, XR650 etc. I was the only little bike (250) at the event; a fund raiser for the New Mexico Off Highway Vehicle Association (NMOHVA) . The group was really supportive in keeping me from turning around an going back down. This is the first time I felt let down on my KLX. Other than the last 100 yards of that climb the other 65 to 70 miles of mud holes, short rocky climbs, snow drifts and water crossing the bike performed flawlessly; even if the rider didn't.
Thanks
The main reason for thinking BB331 is last weekend I went on a ride with a substantial climb at high altitude. The section I failed on was the last of 3 switch backs which totaled over 1000 ft climb in less than a mile. The climb topped out at about 10,500ft. In the last section the bike began to drop power until I stalled it. The stall occurred fairly quickly once the rpm dropped below 4K rpm. The engine felt like it was running out of steam. Once stalled I got it restarted it did not initially want to rev over 5K. I ended up slipping the clutch to keep the RPMs high enough to keep it running and get up the last section of the climb. I am correctly jetted for ideally about 7000ft.
My riding companions recommended getting a bigger bike like they we on: DRZ400, KTM500, XR650 etc. I was the only little bike (250) at the event; a fund raiser for the New Mexico Off Highway Vehicle Association (NMOHVA) . The group was really supportive in keeping me from turning around an going back down. This is the first time I felt let down on my KLX. Other than the last 100 yards of that climb the other 65 to 70 miles of mud holes, short rocky climbs, snow drifts and water crossing the bike performed flawlessly; even if the rider didn't.
Thanks
EDIT: I just read exactly how high you were talking about. If memory serves, some of the mountains surrounding Death Valley, CA may get up that high. I've ridden there on the Suzuki and it did okay. That is indeed quite high, but I still think with a 331 and on-the-lean-side jetting like mine (DJ 124 main with air box snorkel removed), you should be okay. Next time you're in that situation by the way, pull off your airbox snorkel and lid (if you had them on). That should help the engine breath a little easier when it's suffocating like that.
Last edited by kj7687; Jun 8, 2014 at 08:52 AM.


