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Old 03-19-2015, 11:54 AM
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Hi guys!
I've got 2014 EFI KLX and last year i decided to swap to 331cc
I purchased bill blue kit, Power commander V and autotune module. On 250cc everything was fine, PCV and autoune worked adequately.

After swapping the cylinder the bike start but work lean
AFR 15-16 on idle, while using heavily trimmed map.

i repalced inlet manifold gasket, inlet clamps, checked several times if there are any intake/exhaust leaks - no result. i checked fuel sprayer on special stand - ok. FI lamp do not flash. Compression is 10.5 (149 psi), timing is good

Here u can see map which autotune is trying to build after several test rides:
Target AFR 13.5 (14 on idle)



as u can see values much too high

I have no idea what to do now and i'm very close to bringing everything back to stock but I really hope somebody here can give me advice
 
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Old 03-20-2015, 02:25 AM
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If there are no vacuum leaks in the intake then you need to make sure that the map sensor(air pressure) is sending valid info to the ecm. I don't know if Kawasaki gives output voltages for pressure in the repair manual. The other variable is fuel pressure-it has to be at spec under load or the fuel map will never be accurate.
The ecm calculates pulse width for the injector based on rpm, throttle opening and map. The computer has a calculated airflow map loaded into it from the factory based on the oe throttle body diameter. It knows how much air will flow through the throttle at a given opening angle and pressure difference(map) across the opening. That airflow map should remain constant regardless of displacement- you know the diameter of the hole and the pressure across it. So, I would make sure that fuel pressure is correct and that the map voltage is accurate to oe specs.
Makes fuel injection really attractive compared to carbs, doesn't it...
 
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Old 03-20-2015, 08:50 AM
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Thx for your answer, mate!!
I'll check air pressure sensor at the weekend, manual contain this info

P.S. Yep, it is very sad that European models are EFI
 
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Old 03-20-2015, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by niro28
Thx for your answer, mate!!
I'll check air pressure sensor at the weekend, manual contain this info

P.S. Yep, it is very sad that European models are EFI
I bet you could find someone willing to trade their carb gear for your EFI gear...
 
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Old 03-20-2015, 07:10 PM
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Add some resistance to the coolant temp sensor circuit. It will richen it up across the board and you can use your tuner to pull fuel where you need to.
 
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by zomby woof
Add some resistance to the coolant temp sensor circuit. It will richen it up across the board and you can use your tuner to pull fuel where you need to.
You mean something like a rheostat, a variable resistor?
 
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Old 03-21-2015, 01:41 AM
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A 1k linear potentiometer would be a good start
 
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Old 03-23-2015, 08:22 AM
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Hi guys, i'm back and the problem is solved!
That was faulty TPS, readings were out of spec. Thx everyone for assistance!
 
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:28 PM
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Can the title of this thread be changed since the fail had nothing to do with the 331 kit?
 
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