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Well a bunch of us met at our buddies house to go ride on friday. We all took a half day at work to go ride.
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From the guy whos bike caught on fire.
Not completely sure what happened. We were in some tight single track and as I was making a left hand turn and I noticed flames coming up in front of the left radiator shroud. The pictures don't really show everything. We had just stop to get gas and to fill up with water and gator aid. Everyone dumped their camelbacks and water bottles on the fire and it just kept going. We pulled the burning side panels off and unbolted the seat and while Grape smothered the gas cap, we were able to smother the other fires with dirt. My theory is that the bike got hot in the single track and caused the full tank of gas to boil, pushing the expanding fuel vapor out the vent hose, which is routed to a fixture on the frame by the headstock. Maybe an arc from the spark plug cap or the heat of the header pie was enough to ignite the fuel? The flames quickly spread from there. EMS put it best. This was the best scenario that could have happened. No one got burned. The woods did not catch on fire. The bike is replaceable. I got to go home and give my wife and son a hug. All is well! Let me start by thanking GG John for the hospitality and for leading us around on some sweet trails and singletrack. It was great to meet you. I'm very sorry about your bike. Your control and positive attitude were amazing considering what happened. It was great ride up to that point. It was nice seeing and riding with everyone else also. That fire was indeed CRAZY. The pictures, while awesome, don't do the fire justice. Here's my story: I was running number three in our pack of six. We had just got done honking through some tight singletrack. The pace was fast. After the single track, we started a descent down a rutted up section of trail. We were still moving at a pretty good clip. I rounded a bend in the trail and saw GG's bike lying on its side. My first thought was that he had another flat. He laid the bike on its side earlier in the day to change a flat tire. I rolled to stop then I saw the problem - FLAMES! http://rufcutriders.com/Smileys/default/shocked.gif I immediately grabbed the two 22 oz. bottles of water that I had in my tank bag. I ran to the flaming 525 and dumped one bottle of water one it. It had no effect on the fire. Some of the other guys emptied bottles and CamelBacks onto the flames. Still nothing. My instincts told me I had to get the bike out of the fire that was burning on the ground. I grabbed the bars and righted the bike. I then did a little dance to stomp out the fire on the ground. I rolled the flaming bike away from that spot. Fire was coming from everywhere. The tank was surrounded by flames. I reached through the flames and turned the gas off. The bike was hot and gas vapor was being pushed out of the vent in the cap. Like GG said earlier, the vent tube is routed to the frame. The vapor kept feeding the flames. The side panels, seat, air filter, air box, and wiring were burning also. In an effort to extinguish the gas vapor fire, I ripped the vent hose off of the gas tank. The escaping vapor immediately ignited and steady flame appeared above the tank. You can see this flame in some of EMS's pics. I put my finger over vent hole and the flame disappeared. It was too hot to keep my finger on. As soon as I pulled my finger away the flare reignited. ****! I asked GG to hand me a stick. I held the stick over the vent and said a quick prayer. I was now afraid that the other flames under the seat might burn through the full tank or that the pressure building up in the tank might rupture it and spray me with gasoline. I held the stick there as long as I dared. When I pulled it away the flare didn't reappear. http://rufcutriders.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif At some point in time, the starter started to turn over. The bike was in gear and lurched forward. It was as if it came to life and was trying to escape the flames. Next, we turned our attention to the flaming air box, filter, wiring, and seat. I got the melting side panel over the air box off while the other guys removed the bolt that was holding the seat on. We were stuffing dirt into all of the crevices in an attempt to smother the flames. I asked for a shirt and Jeff graciously donated his. I used his shirt to snuff out the last of the flames. I am not sure how long the battle lasted but it seemed like it took about 5 minutes to put the fire completely out. I appreciate all of the kind words. I am not a hero. I just couldn't stand there and watch GG's bike burn up. I am sure my training and experience in firefighting played a role in my actions. Everyone played a role in putting the fire out. We acted as a team. It sucks that GG lost his sweet 525 but as others mentioned, nobody got hurt. The beer I had at dinner later that evening tasted as good as any I've had in my life. http://rufcutriders.com/Smileys/default/cool.gif |
those darn orange bikes ;)
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wow, what a chaotic day! I was thinking that when seeing the first few pics, (assistance going up the single track, then the work on the front end.) The pics of the flat tire caused me some relief, my first thought was wheel bearing or brake problem. Then the pics of the fire! WOW!
As you mentioned, no one was hurt and the forest did not burn down. Is there a lesson that can be learned here? about the bike setup? Just curious. Congrats on everyone making it back safely on that Chaotic day. Thanks for the pics. |
Lemme say that, i was second to last, coming around the bend seeing a bike on fire takes a while to register what you are seeing.
We still dont know what caused the fire. I am glad the tank didnt explode, we had just stopped for fuel and water, glad we didnt catch the woods on fire, and the battery didnt explode. Lesson? There was no way to know that was going to happen. There is no way we could have carried a fire extinguisher. My only thought about the whole thing was, understand fire and how to put it out with out the proper things. We had to use a stick to smother the flames coming out of the gas tanks. Cut of oxygen fire goes out. Know how to get your bike apart rather quickly. Have proper tools. React quick. We eventually got the fire out with a sweat soaked t shirt and dirt, after we got the seat off. |
Damn!!! Crazy stuff!!
What's weird is the other day I was riding with my buddy who has a KTM 525exc.. It overheated a little on tight singletrack, and his vent hose was venting like a mofo. He pulled his gas cap and the tank of gas appeared to be boiling. What's up with those bikes?! |
Holy crap, Eric. Like Drag said^, glad you and your buddies came away without injury. Sorry about the bike, though. That is a scary situation, for sure!
I remember being on my H-1 triple going down the road many years ago, and having white smoke (electrical fire) coming out from under the tank. Nothing like what you experienced, though. What I learned is to ALWAYS turn-off the key at first sign of smoke. (20/20 hindsight.) Just another day in the woods, eh? ;) |
Originally Posted by CousinLarry
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Damn!!! Crazy stuff!!
What's weird is the other day I was riding with my buddy who has a KTM 525exc.. It overheated a little on tight singletrack, and his vent hose was venting like a mofo. He pulled his gas cap and the tank of gas appeared to be boiling. What's up with those bikes?! |
Originally Posted by jeffzx9
(Post 467530)
Holy crap, Eric. Like Drag said^, glad you and your buddies came away without injury. Sorry about the bike, though. That is a scary situation, for sure!
I remember being on my H-1 triple going down the road many years ago, and having white smoke (electrical fire) coming out from under the tank. Nothing like what you experienced, though. What I learned is to ALWAYS turn-off the key at first sign of smoke. (20/20 hindsight.) Just another day in the woods, eh? ;) |
Originally Posted by EMS_0525
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Just another day in a dirt bikers life. I can not say enough good things about all the guys i ride with. There are many situations where people have gone the extra mile and this was one.
Glad you're all OK, man. |
Wow. Glad there weren't any roasted chestnuts as a result!
Before the fire, I was thinking: How do those other riders feel about pushing bikes that cost at least twice as much as the KLX? At least now the KLX has a better resale value than at least one of the other bikes...:eek: |
There were two decent hill climbs. The trusty KLX went right up... actually wheelied up, i love wheeling uphills. The expensive husabergs got stuck....lol...
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Eric,
Glad you guys are OK. How did you get the bike out? |
Smothered it with a sweaty t shirt and throwing lots of dirt on it.
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Originally Posted by EMS_0525
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Smothered it with a sweaty t shirt and throwing lots of dirt on it.
Were you a long way from the highway? |
5 guys can man handle a 270lbs bike not too bad... luckily we were on the top of a hill and not in a valley. We pushed and drug it out. Not too far to the road. Then towed it to a buddys house.
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Originally Posted by EMS_0525
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5 guys can man handle a 270lbs bike not too bad... luckily we were on the top of a hill and not in a valley. We pushed and drug it out. Not too far to the road. Then towed it to a buddys house.
That's one day you'll always remember. Happy Endings are always best. |
You guys really came together when it counted, that's the kind of buddies you want to have around. Glad nobody was hurt, and the parts on the bike can be replaced. Keep us informed at to the repairs on the bike, I see a complete tear down in his future.
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What a crazy ride! I wasn't expecting to see FIRE!!!
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Its being parted out.... lots are called for already.
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I've had a couple of bikes over the years that boiled the gas in the tank. It has always been due to some sort of an issue and both times I got the hell away as I didn't want my crotch blazing away.
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Every one of the husabergs do it... When you stop you can hear it on all of them. Like 15 guys i ride with have husabergs... everyone of them does it. Nothing you can do. Even does it when its 40 out.
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Originally Posted by EMS_0525
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Every one of the husabergs do it... When you stop you can hear it on all of them. Like 15 guys i ride with have husabergs... everyone of them does it. Nothing you can do. Even does it when its 40 out.
I just took a skills course this past weekend. Amazing what the lowly KLX331 can do under an average old man, when compared to some of the "more fabulous" bikes out there. ;) I'm really glad I stumbled across this nice, affordable, rugged, dual-sport bike! |
Well KTM's, bergs and the like are enduro (race) bikes, they are not designed to be lugged slowly up hills and slow single track. Most of them don't even have cooling fans on the radiators. Glad you guys all made it home ok
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Originally Posted by 2veedubs
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Originally Posted by Blackheart58
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Yep. I have a buddy with a 570. He's already done all the modifications to try and keep the heat away from the tank. Also already had to replace the fuel pump (under warranty)...apparently due to heat.
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This has been an educational thread for me. Mental note: No Husas', no ktm 525 for me on tight single track riding.
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OK, I'm the new guy with one week of KLX ownership and absolutely no meaningful contributions to this site to date so I should know better than do what I'm about to do. Based on the pics and the description it is a minor miracle that this didn't end with one or more guys in a helicopter headed to the nearest burn unit. The only point of this post is to warn others that a vehicle fire is extremely dangerous and it is almost always smart to get the hell away from it. Having witnessed an ATV burn to the ground and a car fire that burned the garage off the side of a house with kids inside I can tell you these stories don't always end like this one did. Very glad that everyone is OK!!!
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Originally Posted by lj-rubi
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OK, I'm the new guy with one week of KLX ownership and absolutely no meaningful contributions to this site to date so I should know better than do what I'm about to do. Based on the pics and the description it is a minor miracle that this didn't end with one or more guys in a helicopter headed to the nearest burn unit. The only point of this post is to warn others that a vehicle fire is extremely dangerous and it is almost always smart to get the hell away from it. Having witnessed an ATV burn to the ground and a car fire that burned the garage off the side of a house with kids inside I can tell you these stories don't always end like this one did. Very glad that everyone is OK!!!
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