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AndrewGMoto 04-06-2014 03:22 AM

Ghost gear?
 
Was riding this afternoon when I shifted (lazily) from 3-4, or so, and when I let out the clutch, no dice. It was like I put it into N. Throttle just revved it. Pulled the clutch back in and kicked up harder, and it locked in. Any of you ever manage to do this? Was a strange thing indeed. Recently replaced my clutch cable and my new friction point is just a very short pull in, if that has to do with anything. Could probably loosen the cable tension a bit.

TNC 04-06-2014 03:34 AM

Yeah, that's fairly odd. I've never experienced anything quite like that. If something wasn't right in your cable install, and the cable kind of popped out of one of the holders and held itself cocked open for an instant, I could envision the possibility of something like that. Still, I think the problem would keep occurring even if it wasn't consistent.

NEWPARTSRULE 04-06-2014 03:40 AM

What ?? Nobody sees a ghost. Get that cable set up proper. Dial in your lever. All that. You may have just "drug" the clutch a bit.

RockabillSlapMatt 04-06-2014 05:39 AM

Happens to me all the time, they are called false-neutrals, happens shifting up or down.

GBAUTO 04-06-2014 11:25 AM

My '12 would occasionally pop out of 5th-not really a false neutral but it just didn't engage fully. I removed the shift star and used a grinder to profile the points. That fixed the problem and when I had to split the cases last month to replace the crank I did an inspection of the shift forks and dogs on the gears. Nothing is worn or bent and after reassembly it shifts like butter now.

TNC 04-06-2014 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by RockabillSlapMatt (Post 508821)
Happens to me all the time, they are called false-neutrals, happens shifting up or down.

Man!...you must be a sloppy shifter!:D


But seriously...even drag racing my H2's, Z1's, and tons of dirt bikes in heinous conditions, I've never hit a neutral in any other gear other than between 1st and 2nd.

RockabillSlapMatt 04-06-2014 10:36 PM

Usually happens when my foot slips off my shifter, i have yet to replace it haha! Or clutch-less downshifting can also cause a false neutral

AndrewGMoto 04-07-2014 07:38 AM

Yeah, after looking around, it was a false neutral.

I'd been under the impression that accidentally hitting N when going from 1st to 2nd was a false neutral, which isn't the case. Which is just annoying.

It was probably due to me wearing sneakers. When I wear boots, the shifter is engaged with more conviction. Sometimes I do suffer from "lazy toe," heh. And, I need a new shifter anyway.

FYI, if you do happen to have a false neutral, correct it by going UP a gear, not down. If you think you're between 4th - 5th, you could actually be between 3rd - 4th, if you go down, you run the risk of a super hard engine brake and a rear wheel lockup.

wildcard 04-07-2014 12:39 PM

Mine does this between 5-6 a lot, its almost like the lever throw is a bit longer between those gears.

maybe when I pull covers off to put in my lightened flywheel i'll see about putting in a new shift star.

IDRIDR 04-07-2014 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by TNC (Post 508842)
Man!...you must be a sloppy shifter!:D


But seriously...even drag racing my H2's, Z1's, and tons of dirt bikes in heinous conditions, I've never hit a neutral in any other gear other than between 1st and 2nd.

Thad,
I think you have a solid shifting foot. Perhaps due to your experience with good, and maybe some not so good, transmissions over the years. I've had false neutral shifts on nearly every bike I've owned.


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