Oh and congratz on all that power

 

Come on guys? any answers?

 

Hey AzzDawg,

The guy I take both my bikes to in Costa Mea, has an '05 ZX6 himself and mentioned to me awhile back that he removed his secondary butterfly valves. Now I'm not mechanical in the least (I only ride 'em), so I don't know what advantage this gave him (if any at all).You maywant to contact him directly with some Q & A.Make sure you talk about getting your bike re-mapped, as I'm sure it will be necessary (so plan on a power commander). You can look up the shop's contact info on Yahoo yellow pages.The shop's name is "Mach 1"and its in Costa Mesa, CA. The guy you want to talk to is Jim.

As a side note, I have an '05 ZX6 myself, and I know the little bog your talking about. To be honest, its really not too bad relatively speaking. I've felt worse on other bikes. The bog on the ZX6 is very minimal and disappears quickly after (I don't know, maybe a few thousand RPM's) and from there it's good to go. Whereas, the bogged down feeling we're talking about here on the ZX14 is very noticiable and is present up to 6500+ RPM's and exists in gears 1-4. Anyway, I hope this info helps.

-JA

 

Good deal. Was fishing for some answers on why the bog? Pc? A kit ecu available for it? What is causing the bog. congrats on your ride. Cam degree help possibly?

 

As we know, the auxilliary throttle plates (aka butterfly valesor "flysallow the ECU to control the airflow in certain pars of theRPM range,take them out and it is all up to your wrist. Some riders do not re-map or use thepower commanderyet report that the no flysmod works well but no as nice as with a re-mapping. This seems to indicate that theannoying dipin the torque curve is most likelydue to the flys' damping action.Since cams are part of a system, working in concert with intake and exhaust tuning as well as ignition a fuel air maps, valve timingchanges (differnt cam grinds) require other mods to make the expense worth while.

 

godzilla, will a kit ecu take the secondaries out of the loop? Like keeping the secondaries wide open lets say?

 

The secondaries are "drive by wire" and are controlled by a stepping motor which receives it's signal from the ecu. A reflash, piggy back oraftermarket ecu will all work. The least expensive (in the long run)and most flexible option is the piggy back since you can reprogram it from files that can be sent by email. These files are somewhat generic and can be improved upon for a specific application.. This is usually the domain of the serious racer and not really necessary for street machines.

 

crap, I am neither. I just did not see that option of the secondaries in the race ecu.

 

Don't sweat removing the flies. I was worried it woild make the bike too edgey for the street but it doesn't. I was going to go with The TRE from Ivan but thought I'd give the no flies option a shot first to save the $70. I am using the map from dyno jet and my esperience is the same as thoselaid outin the opening post of this thread. I notice more responsiveness in the 3k area forward and my bike is very controlable. I am am average rider at best but have been on super bikes since I bought my H1 back in 1970.

 

I have a zx14 that is brand new. It has 2 bro exhaust on it and that is it. After it is fully broke in can I do this mod or will I definately need a power commander. Any info I appreciate it.